Alan Grimes wrote: > Michael Jones wrote: >> My reason for replying initially was that I didn't think it was fair >> to make light of users who don't expect to *need* to scrutinize the >> output of emerge every single time they run it. Those people exist >> (hi, nice to meet you), and it's not fair to say they're wrong or >> somehow making a grave error in judgement. >> >> It's entirely fair to say that they are treading on thin ice, and that >> if they choose to do this they should understand the risks, but it's >> not fair to say they're automatically wrong to use the tool in a way >> that the tool allows itself to be used. >> >> Either way, we don't need to turn this into a long and in depth >> discussion, so I probably won't reply to the list again unless you >> have any specific questions or concerns for me. > Thank you for the reasonable response. > > Dale, of course, has spewed hate at me for simply trying to make my life > as convenient as possible while still using Gentoo over here without > even providing a satisfactory answer as to why. >
Spewed hate? Make your life convenient? I went back and looked at threads you posted several years ago, before your posting privileges were stopped, not sure what action was taken just that you didn't post for a while. Back then, Neil, the other Alan, myself and several others were trying to help you. Mostly, it was pointed out that the script you were using was causing problems and was certainly not making things easier much less convenient. That's not spewing hate. That's trying to help you with the problem. I might add, I was one of very few who kept trying to help when others had already stopped replying to you. Maybe you forgot that?? If you want a easy way to update your system, I'll list what I do here and it has worked for a long time. I been using Gentoo since early 2003. Sure, sometimes I run into a issue that I need help on but that isn't to often. When it does, I post all the info I think is needed for others to look at and advise on how to proceed. Sometimes, it is a change upstream, sometimes it is something I have going on on my end. Either way, I adjust to the fix. First, sync the tree and any related overlays. I use eix-sync since it does all of it in one command. It syncs the tree and any overlays at the same time. My first command looks like this. eix-sync && emerge -uvaDN world Since I have some default options in make.conf, it ends up like this for emerge. emerge --jobs=5 --update --backtrack=100 --keep-going --verbose --newuse --oneshot --quiet-build=n --with-bdeps=y --unordered-display --ask --deep world That looks long but most of that is in make.conf so that I don't have to type it all in every time. I also see I can leave off the -u since it is in make.conf. Once the sync is done, it then runs emerge to see what packages are going to be updated, what their USE flags are and if emerge will have any issues emerging them such as hard blocks or USE flag conflicts. I always check for what is being installed new, what USE flags are changing and for upgrades to packages I specifically installed myself. Most changes in the list are color coded. It makes it very easy to see what is changing. If I see something changing that I don't want or want handled another way, I go edit the needed config file(s) and run emerge again to see if it is like I want. Sometimes, that takes a few times. Sometimes, it works fine the very first time. Once it is like I want/need, I then hit y and let emerge proceed with the update. At this point, you can walk away. I run some packages unstable and still it is rare that a package fails. I might add, going over that list usually takes less than five minutes, even if I have to edit a config file to get things like I want. Odds are, if you do it that way, it will work almost every time. The thing is, you have to stay on top of it and update on a regular basis. I saw that was mentioned a few times several years ago. Gentoo supports going a year without a update but it doesn't mean that updating a system 10, 12 or 13 months out of date is going to be easy. Depending on what changes has been made, it could be difficult. Maybe when you get the current issue sorted out, you will at least consider this a starting point for doing what is known to work well. It took me years to get to this point. As options are added to emerge, I adjust make.conf to make things work better. Thing is, I don't mind sharing a good way to update and save someone else a lot of issues. It's up to them whether they want to use it or not. I hope this will help you after you get the current problem fixed. Dale :-) :-)
