On 17/08/2015 17:36, Dale wrote: > Alec Ten Harmsel wrote: >> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 08:03:10PM +0700, jfmxl wrote: >>> It's pretty clear that you what you think I need to know about gentoo is >>> that its not for me because I don;t know what I'm doing and cannot think >>> logically ... Ill give it another shot, but I won't stick around on this >>> damn list any longer. >>> >>> Alan McKinnon wrote: >>>> All of which highlights something you need to know about Gentoo: arund >>>> here, we start by assuming you know what you are doing mostly and can >>>> think logically. >> Alan is *not* saying that Gentoo is not for you; he is merely saying >> that running Gentoo requires a decent amount of knowledge. For example, >> I ran Ubuntu for 2-3 years, then ArchLinux for 1-2 years, and now I run >> Gentoo. >> >> If you have never manually formatted a disk, installed a kernel, and >> installed grub, you can expect to fail the first time around. Like Alan >> also said, since you are doing this in Qemu, you should not be using an >> initrd and, in my opinion, you should just have a single MBR partition >> as it is very simple. >> >> Alec >> >> > > > I wouldn't recommend Gentoo to someone who has never even run Linux > before or been under the hood so to speak. That would be cruel. Like > you, I used Mandrake for a while before I tried Gentoo. It took me > several times to get my install done right. Heck, it took me 3 or 4 > times just to get a kernel that would boot. Then several more redos to > get everything to work right and that was before USB etc was what it is > now. The kernel was a lot simpler back then, I think. > > As was said in recent discussion about having a installer, the install > process teaches a lot. Gentoo is not a hand holding distro. Gentoo has > a learning curve and requires patience. If a person isn't able to > handle those two things, they won't like Gentoo. If a person wants > something that is easy and noob friendly, Gentoo isn't what they want. > Gentoo is what a person makes of it and Gentoo pretty much forces you to > make it what it is. It certainly isn't point and click distro which is > why I'm not real big on this installer thing. I can see some cases for > it when installing say to 50 identical servers or something but just not > for a single machine or even someone new to Gentoo. Heck, I wish a > stage 1 install was supported. I think I'd give it a shot if I could.
Er, no. You don't. You really, really REALLY don't want to go Stage 1 :-) My second install was a stage 1, way back in the day when the stage 3s weren't fully usable out of the box yet. My first was a stage 2 (fully documented back then) and for the second one I decided to be brave. I did learn something, but it really wasn't worth the effort. In fact, LFS was less pain. Take a bootstrap setup and somehow get it to produce a working compiler, then use that to get a half-decent user-space and finally get a stage 3. Ugh :-) For a masochist like you, it might be fun :-) Stages are still on the download mirrors, and I'm sure we could find a copy of the handbook from back then for you. That thing was in CVS, wans't it? -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
