Am 07.01.2015 um 20:06 schrieb Tomas Mozes: > Strange, I only have successful stories with upgrading old gentoo > machines. If you have a machine which you update regularly then you know > all the issues during the time and so upgrading "per partes" leads to no > surprises but the same challenges you've handled before. But yes, it > takes time. > > Moreover, if you use configuration management like Ansible, you can even > automatically merge changes when applications ship new configuration.
Thanks for that posting, it reminds me of some bigger issue I wanted to discuss here for quite a while now. Over the years I am now responsible for dozens of servers and VMs running gentoo linux ... and I wonder how to efficiently keep track of them. I learned my first steps with puppet and use it in a basic setup for my own machines in my LAN. It seems to work better for many identical servers, let's say in a hosting environment. The servers at my customers are somehow similar but not identical: different setups for services ... different update-cycles (which have to be synchronized and shortened as we have seen in this thread!) ... I look for a way of tracking all these systems: a) central database/repo with all the systems and how to access them: * unique system id * what IP, port, ssh-key, etc etc I use git for local tracking of /etc on most of my systems in the last years, but I did never really come up with a clever way how to centralize dozens of separate git-repos ... one repo per server pushed to one central git-home on of my inhouse servers? b) in addition tracking of let's say "rules" or "services": * which server runs e.g. apache? So if there is a new security warning out there for apache ... ask system "which servers/customers would need that update?" etc etc c) when was my last access to that server? Have I looked into it lately? (or more business-oriented:) Do I even have to / does the customer pay for that?) This should lead to some SLA-kind-of-thing, yes ... a bit off-topic for now. - Puppet is more oriented to push configs out to systems. Maybe a combination would apply ... puppet for building the basement, having stuff generalized (this path, that password/ssh-key ....) and some other components to track what has been done over time. I run OTRS ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTRS ) for my daily work and looked into their module "ITSM" ( https://www.otrs.com/homepage/software/otrsitsm-features/ ) lately ... it allows to create "configuration items" (think: ITIL) etc, so far I think this is a bit of overkill and not really fitting the size of my business. I'd love to keep it simple and CLI-oriented: Gentoo allows to define (nearly?) everything via text-files, combined with the cleverness of git (and maybe puppet) this should give me a way of a) easily deploy new systems with configs according to some standards: I want these packages/users/paths/files ... b) track these systems: what boxes am I responsible for, what is out there and failing? ;-) (not talking monitoring here ... just what are my active systems out there) from there I should slowly get into defining new contracts with my clients including regular checks each 3 or 6 months ... what has to be done, are there any bigger updates to do (think udev, baselayout ...) and tell them if is possible to update the box within a few hours in parallel to normal work or if we need a bigger maintenance window. --- I am sure there are many other gentoo-users out there with similar challenges to face. And I am looking forward to your thoughts, experiences and recommendations! Best regards, Stefan