On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 1:12 PM, <wirel...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > > The first 100 or so I looked at, are deprecated. They just need somebody > to 'remove them' the BGO java backlog is being artificially used to > prevent java work on gentoo. Somebody of authority needs to open > up java for other folks to work on. Close the 100 oldest bugs > is a no brainer and a good start, yet nobody will do that, and nobody > else is allowed to close them. *CONVENIENT* if you hate java and are > in control.
How are open bugs artificially preventing java work? If you want to work on Java, then work on it. You don't even need to look at Bugzilla to work on something. Just do it. > This policy, whether part of a grand conspiracy, or due to apathetic > leadership, has the net effect to run off potential new devs to gentoo > and who like java. What policy are you talking about? ANY Gentoo dev can work on or close java bugs, as long as they're maintaining the packages in question. THAT is Gentoo policy. If some dev feels that somebody is preventing this from happening all they have to do is speak up and it will be taken care of. Squatting is not allowed in Gentoo. I think the real problem is that there aren't many devs who care about Java in the first place. That isn't a policy problem - it is a manpower problem. > > Rich, I actually appreciate you help. But somebody of authority is going to > have to step into this java on gentoo mess and clean house, > provide leadership and encourage (hell, just remove the roadblocks) > from java on gentoo. Show me somebody willing to do the work who is being prevented from doing the work, and we can figure out how to fix things. Like most FOSS projects Gentoo is a "do-ocracy." The leaders are the people who DO things, not the people who get elected. For the most part the people who are elected try to keep obstacles out of the way of those who do things, and generally provide basic rules so that we can all live together. As a Gentoo user and leader, there really wouldn't be that much personal impact to me if Java disappeared from the tree. That doesn't mean that I want to see it go, or that I won't do what I can to enable people to care for it. However, most FOSS projects are driven by people who are scratching their own itches. The only way Java will have a good experience on Gentoo is if lots of people who use Java step up and make it that way. You can't look to a bunch of people who don't care about Java and try to get them to care, whether they're leaders or not. If you told me that a million more people would use Gentoo if only we spent an extra couple of hours working on Java, I'd ask why I should care if a million more people use Gentoo? :) I want people to use Gentoo because it is the right solution for them, and I want them to contribute back. If they'd be happier elsewhere, then more power to them. Most Gentoo devs aren't out to maximize our market share or anything like that. Please don't take this as some kind of rejection. I'd love to see Gentoo have great Java support. However, I doubt it matters as much to me as it does to you, so you're the one with the incentive to make it happen. That's how just about everything that exists in Gentoo got the way it is - somebody cared and made it happen. -- Rich
