On 11/13/14 15:50, J. Roeleveld wrote:

James,

Backblaze is not selling harddrives. They sell storage on their servers.
The data they collect is based on different drives from different manufacturers.
They are quite open on what they use, check out their website and blogposts. 
You should
find the answers to your questions easily there.
Joost

Wow, an honorable vendor, that uses "scientific" standards so other can readily collect similar data and verify their results. They even put the scientific method ahead of quarterly profit statements. Impressive. It's refreshing to know we still have vendors like this. One in a million. I never suggested they did anything specific like sell HD.

There are a multitude or reasons to publish data that vendor A is better than vendor B. Furthermore, if an organization at that size/capitalization is not fully redundant, HA and cost effective, (1) they wont be in business very long and (2) it really does not matter because that sort of data only guides your next (corporate) bulk purchase of hardware, because *price* of component redundant hardware *always* trumps mtbf specs, imho.

The important thing is for others to be able to independently verify their results. So the methods, tools and datasets should be readily available as a first step. Then when IBM, Google and dozens of others, including but not limited to universities, government labs (Los Alamos) and private users all collect similar data and discern similar conclusions, then you know the data is valid and the conclusions are just. But by then each of the vendors will have new product offerings;
so once again, price drives the market and perceptions adjust the prices
moderately to none at all.

There are a myriad of factors that can affect these results. Independent
verification is the gold standard for data analysis, imho. Not just
"re-crunching numbers" from their datasets, but collecting your own independent datasets for analysis. I must have missed those links on the vendor's website? Enhancing the common, open source Network Management Systems such as nagios or jffnms, where others can readily collect data on drives themselves, and independently verify their conclusions is paramount for their published conclusions to hold a "scientific" basis of validity, imho. Otherwise, it's rather akin to "benchmarks", imho.

Useful ? :: yes  ; interesting ? :: most definitely ;
conclusive ? :: not even close!


peace,
James

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