On Saturday, August 09, 2014 11:19:39 AM Alan McKinnon wrote: > On 09/08/2014 10:20, J. Roeleveld wrote: > > On 9 August 2014 09:53:01 CEST, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 09/08/2014 08:35, J. Roeleveld wrote: > >>>> Test vms get updated when I feel like it. Some of them never :-) > >>> > >>> Hope they are behind a firewall then, wouldn't want to know how quick > >> > >> a 2 year > >> > >>> old VM gets 0wned if online. > >> > >> They run locally in virtualbox on the laptop, and are fired up when > >> needed. Like for example when I have to figure out wtf exactly did > >> ubuntu do to munin today to break it *again* > > > > I try to avoid ubuntu. > > Tried it a few years ago. Looked ok, but didn't like the convoluted way to > > do a full update and ended up putting Gentoo on the netbook. > you mean > > apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get > autoremove > > ?
Yes > Yeah, that drives me nuts too. emerge --sync emerge -vauDN @world This is how to update everything in 1 step. I don't like having to do a different command to update to newer versions. It's convoluted. > But it's better than Red Hat (dependency hell) and makes the office > staff workstations easy to admin (desktop stuff JustWorks for what they > need to do). My solution with RPMs: - Let the desktop try it - Do a new install of latest version (I use Centos on VMs for testing work related stuff) > Plus, I refuse under any circumstances to run Gentoo on production > unless it's backed by a huge build farm or I have a large cluster that > are all identical and have very special needs. I use Gentoo exclusively on the servers and desktops at home. I find it easier and more logical to maintain. I do have a VM dedicated to building binary packages though. > Gentoo has it's uses cases, but a loose collection of servers none of > which are identical is not it. It can be made to work, with some good planning. But I agree that when the amount of servers starts getting quite large, some unification is necessary. But the same then is also true for any other OS. -- Joost
