Dave Nebinger <dnebinger <at> joat.com> writes:

> Up to now I haven't really wanted to have someone bounced from the list; but
> your lack of sensitivity and generally insulting manners make you the first
> obvious candidate for such a bouncing.

Ok your call, let me know.....


> Why do you think that iptables/netfilter is exclusive to gentoo?  It is a
> general linux question; iptables is not a product of gentoo.

Agreed. I never stated it was, just asked on this list for information and
help, repeatedly about iptables/netfilters. I have clearly, and repeated
articulated the fact, that shorewall, and other applications, are not
useful to me, unless they redender ruleset that can be manipulated
manually. So a tool, that I can mix and match with command line access
to iptables/netfilter would be acceptable. However, there seems to be
some confusion about whether shorewall et. al. actually can work
in this capacity. The last thing I want is another layer. A tool/scripts/gui
that is 100% compatible with command line manipulations and testing of
rulesets is OK. Any guidance you can provide here is appreciated.

> There are no such published, shared rule sets because each site has it's own
> security requirements and places different priorities upon the rules.  Some
> will prioritize the connection tracking rules above the service rules (to
> optimize outbound active connections over new service connections) whilst
> others will prioritize them in the opposite direction.  And the services
> themselves can be prioritized differently.
> 
OK, but published examples would be nice, even if they require changes.

> If you really want the down and dirty on iptables, go out and buy "Linux
> Firewalls" by Ziegler and Constantine.  It describes every nook and cranny
> of iptables.

Great reference. The third addition was just published in September 05.
I've pre-ordered one....

> In the mean time, welcome to my kill file.

OK, whatever this means....

Sorry to offend, but, I did not like having Shorewall or anything
else shove down my throat. The title of the email was
and is 'iptables example on Gentoo'. It a shame we had to get so
heated before folks actually started talking about iptables/netfilter,
and not some intermediary....

James




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