On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 11:41 PM, William Kenworthy <bi...@iinet.net.au> wrote: > On 27/10/13 09:30, Mike Gilbert wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 9:13 AM, hasufell <hasuf...@gentoo.org> wrote: >>> Since I maintain blender I have come across quite a few frustrated >>> users already: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=488976#c7 >>> >>> I am not sure myself. On one hand we don't need python-updater anymore >>> and have very tight dependencies that ensure that all needed modules >>> are always available for the desired implementation. >>> >>> On the other hand it seems to give a lot of users trouble with >>> blockers, general configuration and mass-updates on things like >>> removing python:2.5. >>> >>> What are your opinions? Did it improve user experience? What could be >>> improved? >> > ... > > The python user experience is less than overwhelming for a user. > > 1. if python-update is no longer needed (first I have heard of this) why > is it still rebuilding many packages after an upgrade ... >
To clarify: python-updater will no longer be needed at some point in the future when we are no longer using the old python.eclass. > 2. I have python 2.7 installed and python 3.x is being asked to be > installed ... isnt that enough? - shorely it can work out what it needs > from whats been asked for/removed and whats already on the system ... > instead we need to add these cryptic, poorly explained lines that one > only finds out from emails etc. The elog message for the one exception > asks that the line be added to make.conf without telling the user what > happens if he upgrades later (as it lists specific versions) or makes > changes - does that line have any effect, especially if he makes a > mistake (which I did and I am not sure what it did in the background)? > Making things "just work" is complex when trying to juggle 6 or more supported versions/implementations of python. We have tried to explain the magic make.conf lines in the Python user guide. https://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/Python/python-r1/user-guide.xml We also try to make sure that most users never have to touch PYTHON_TARGETS, etc; the default values provided by your profile are set up to allow *stable* python2.7 and python3.2 to work properly. ~arch users are expected to read the docs. ^_^
