Mark David Dumlao wrote: > On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Mark David Dumlao wrote: >>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale <rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> One thing that you seem to be missing here. Before Gentoo, I used >>>> Mandrake. >>>> It had a init thingy. It caused me much grief and is one reason I left >>>> Mandrake. I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I >>>> chose Gentoo is no init thingy. I wanted to be rid of that. Now, whether >>>> it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init thingy just because someone >>>> doesn't want to put files where they should be which is not inside /usr. >>>> >>>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and it >>>> fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else. I done went >>>> down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I have no >>>> plan >>>> or desire to do so again. I'm also not going to spend hours reinstalling >>>> Gentoo either. If, more than likely when, the init thingy fails, I'll be >>>> installing something else and I'll most my last sign off message here. One >>>> thing about Linux, there are plenty of distros to pick from . I love >>>> Gentoo >>>> but I like to be able to boot up without dealing with a init thingy that I >>>> have to fix when it goes belly up. >>>> >>>> Dale >>>> >>> I don't know why people keep humoring this kind of explanation for >>> systemd, udev, or /usr FUD, but this is not a rational way to think. It's >>> the same kind of excuse to say "I'm never going to use any kind of Linux, >>> even Android, because I tried it 3 or 4 times when it was on floppies, >>> and I couldn't get it to work". >>> >>> I'm really sorry about your terrible experience with "init thingies" in the >>> past, but you've got to face the facts: >>> 1) most distros today, Kubuntu included, bundle an "init thingy" >>> and it works flawlessly for them. >>> 2) you really, seriously, have to own up to the fact that your init thingy >>> failing was very likely your fault (because of 1) >>> 3) managing "init thingies" has gotten ridiculously easy over time as >>> compared to when you manually had to build them >>> >>> Especially that number 2 part. I mean, let's not forget that character >>> of Gentoo as a distribution. Or heck, even *nix distributions in general. >>> *nix distributions give you a lot of tools to arrange your systems the >>> way you want, i.e. choice, but it is always implicitly under the assumption >>> that the choice you're making is an *informed* choice. >>> >>> That's why you're asked to read the manual, or check the readmes, >>> or check the sample configs, and in this day and age, do a basic search >>> for working examples, before asking questions. *nix is not, and has >>> never been about being "polite" to users who don't know what they >>> are doing, and has always been about being efficient to users who do. >>> >>> I've been recommended to put it "over the top" bluntly before, so: >>> 1) STOP. FREAKING. BEING. IRRATIONAL. >>> 2) STOP BLAMING INIT THINGIES FOR YOUR MISTAKES. THE DAMNED >>> THINGS WORK. >>> 3) If you're scared of doing an init thingy *manually*, just read and do >>> the howto of the simplest init thingy manager in town (dracut? genkernel?). >>> It surely takes less time and effort than migrating to Kubuntu or whatever. >> Already tried making a init thingy from a really nice howto, Gentoo one >> I think. Failed big time. Heck, the init thingy barely even loaded >> before it failed. I seem to recall posting on here. As far as I know, >> no one knew how to fix it or what was wrong. The dracut one worked but >> if it ever failed, I'm in the same boat, no freaking clue how to fix it >> or where to start and if I can't boot, no help either. So just to >> update, my most recent experience wasn't to good either. It isn't all >> about YEARS ago. It is also about more recent attempts. > Meanwhile, for more stupidly over the top blunt trauma: > Please grow up and read your excuses for what they are. You > (1) failed to make an init thingy manually > (2) refuse to use a known working system that thousands use > on account of GREMLINS > and > (3) threaten to replace it with another working system that thousands use. > but no gremlins here! > > At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it "the hard way". > So > do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do it > EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem > with your attitude. You're being exactly the kind of user that unpaid > volunteer devs don't want to waste time having to support.
And that is your opinon which is pretty much useless and wrong to boot. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words!
