On Sep 29, 2013 3:33 AM, "Alan McKinnon" <alan.mckin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On 29/09/2013 10:25, Mick wrote: > > On Sunday 29 Sep 2013 06:29:37 Walter Dnes wrote: > >> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 06:09:40PM -0500, Dale wrote > >> > >>> Most likely, I'll install Kubuntu to start. Then I may roam around > >>> and test other distros until I find one I like. Thing is, I already > >>> have a starting point. > >> > >> I'm already looking. http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?id=2265 > >> and they also dislike systemd. I think I could get to like it. See > >> also http://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-34 > > > > Very interesting! This looks as a logical way to put udev back in its > > userspace box and stop it breaking the OS, or did I understand it incorrectly? > > > > Exherbo might be worth a look too[1]. > > It's a sort-of Gentoo fork using the portage tree and PMS; plus Ciaran > strikes me as the kind of guy who *would* expend massive effort to find > a way round current udev and systemd. > > > [1] I didn't look myself. I have no idea what Exherbo's stance is on > this matter.
Exherbo recommends installing systemd [1]. Sabayon installs systemd by default [2]. Funtoo is considering running GNOME >=3.8 in a container so systemd doesn't "impact" the rest of the system [3] (which by the way looks like an interesting idea). However, in the same link Daniel Robbins says: "[...] from my perspective, I think it is simply so people can run GNOME. I do like GNOME 3.6. I like their new UI. It would be nice to run 3.8. I don't care about systemd. It is simply a dep of GNOME. That is all." I see that as being open to the idea of using systemd in the future. It doesn't say that they'll never support systemd, as others would. Well, users; for the people that actually write the code, the majority seems to like systemd, or at least don't have a problem with it. Anyhow, many in this thread forget that it was the OpenRC maintainer the one that proposed the change to stop supporting a separate /usr without an initramfs. If you use OpenRC, and have a separate /usr without an initramfs, and *anything * breaks in your machine, you get to keep the pieces. No (official) support for you. It doesn't matter if you use udev, eudev (which is the same, just emasculated), nor mdev. OpenRC will start assuming an early available /usr; that's why its maintainer championed the change. It needs it to actually compete with systemd. So even Funtoo will need the same requirement, unless they switch to runit. As others have said, this is not really related to systemd/udev. It's OpenRC, the "official" and (still) recommended init system for Gentoo, the one that is making the change. And about time, if you ask me. Regards. [1] http://www.exherbo.org/docs/install-guide.html [2] http://www.sabayon.org [3] http://bugs.funtoo.org/browse/FL-674
