On 07/30/2013 05:40 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > There is going to be resistance. Two months ago there was a huge > thread in gentoo-dev, because a package maintaner complained that his > co-maintainer added a systemd unit to the package: > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/85792 > > In the end, the maintainer rage-quit: > > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.project/2551 > > However, this is the extreme behaviour: most developers (and rational > people) agree to adding systemd unit files to all packages, and we > have much better coverage now that some months ago. > > If users cooperate opening bugs adding systemd unit files (after > testing them in their machines), the coverage is going to grow even > faster. > > Regards. > > On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 5:04 PM, <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote: >> Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, <cov...@ccs.covici.com> wrote: >>>> Canek Peláez Valdés <can...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Pavel Volkov <negai...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Pavel Volkov <negai...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday 28 July 2013 03:22:02 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >>>>>>>> Therefore, as of today, anyone can have a Gentoo machine with only >>>>>>>> systemd, with no OpenRC installed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Really? Bug 373219 is still open. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry, I missed your explanation at the end about that one. Ok, thanks >>>>>> for >>>>>> what you've done :) >>>>> >>>>> Mmmh, and I missed this last reply of you. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, dealing with /etc/init.d/functions.sh is basically trivial. >>>> >>>> But still, we have lots of packages with no systemd units -- shouldn't >>>> they all have a systemd use flag and units to go with it -- basically >>>> anything which has something in /etc/init.d . I was looking for a >>>> sendmail unit and could find nothing, for one example. >>> >>> Yeah, we are not even near 100% coverage. However, one of the many >>> advantages of systemd is that a service unit from a distribution >>> usually works as-is or with minimal changes in any other. >>> >>> For many basic unit files, you can go to >>> >>> https://github.com/vonSchlotzkow/systemd-gentoo-units >>> >>> It has a unit file for postfix, for example. If the one you are >>> looking for is not there, you can search in other distributions. If >>> you download the RPM from >>> http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/21317874/dir/fedora_19/com/sendmail-8.14.7-1.fc19.i686.rpm.html, >>> and extract the files with rpm2tarbz2, then you can get the >>> sendmail.service file. >>> >>> It will probably need some changes to work with Gentoo, but it should >>> not be difficult. >>> >>> When is working, you can send your unit to the package maintainer in >>> Gentoo, and at some point it could be included in the package (like >>> the OpenRC init script). >>> >>> That's how we will get 100% coverage, eventually. >> >> OK, I will check those -- thanks. I hope package maintainers now start >> putting those service units in, now that systemd is required by gnome. >> >> >> -- >> Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: >> How do >> you spend it? >> >> John Covici >> cov...@ccs.covici.com >> > > >
What's irrational about that guy's reasons for being against the systemd unit files? I remember that thread, and he made some decent technical points. Unfortunately, the council rejected a systemd USE flag, so the best route was shot in the head before it had a chance. Yet OpenRC needs a USE flag to enable it... rather fishy.
