On 2013-03-22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:09 AM, Nuno Silva <nunojsi...@ist.utl.pt> wrote: >> On 2013-03-22, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 7:45 PM, João Matos <jaon...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hi list, >>>> >>>> do you know some guide to switch form systemd to openrc, or keep both? I >>>> googled and I didn't find. >>>> >>>> The motivation is that I'm studing many server stuff, and I'm tired of >>>> search for alternatives to systemd (that is really good). I also >>>> set up some >>>> servers, using openrc on them, so, sometimes I like to reproduce the >>>> configuration o my machine. >>>> >>>> If possible, I prefer to keep both. If not, I'll switch back to openrc. >>>> >>>> I've enable the openrc user flag, updated the system, I created a grub >>>> entrace, and everything seems to work pretty well on openrc, but I cant >>>> start the X. "no screens found", but dbus, udev and consolekit are started >>>> without error. >>>> >>>> Everything is working with systemd. >>> >>> For "server stuff", you should have no problem. If the machine where >>> you want to have both systemd and OpenRC also works as a desktop >>> workstation, right now that is not possible; there are several desktop >>> packages that cannot decide at run time if they use systemd (actually, >>> logind) or ConsoleKit (polkit being the most obvious). >> >> Are these packages essential or the like? I don't think my desktop >> systems have dependencies either on systemd or polkit/consolekit. > > If you don't need user session monitoring for anything (which is what > ConsoleKit and logind provides), nor interactive privilege granting > (which is what polkit provides), then I believe you will have no
Thanks. Now *that* is what I call explaining something in a nutshell :-) > problems switching OpenRC and systemd withouth needing to recompile > anything. However, that means no upower and no udisks at least; GNOME > cannot run without any of those. XFCE needs them if the udev USE flag > is enabled, which is enabled by default in Gentoo desktop profiles, > and in KDE the three of them are optional dependencies turned on by > default. You can turn them of in XFCE and KDE, but you kinda lose > functionality without them. I do indeed remember having to fight the KDE use flags so that I could pull kdelibs without pulling the whole set of u* things someone decided that were required for a desktop environment (the fun thing being that I wasn't even using KDE as a DE). But I hope you don't mean the GNOME *libs* will be requiring logind/Consolekit/... in the near future? That would cause me some trouble, as I rely on evince a lot. >> What is logind used for? > > User session monitoring, as ConsoleKit did, only better: > > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/logind > > Regards. -- Nuno Silva (aka njsg) http://njsg.sdf-eu.org/
