On 1 May 2012, at 18:51, Michael Mol wrote:
>> … 
>> I am certainly able to play back .wmv files here without win32codecs 
>> installed. Admittedly, I'm using xbmc to do that, and haven't recently 
>> tested using VLC or mplayer, but I would avoid installing that package 
>> unless I was sure I needed it.
> 
> … 
> WMV, mp4, WAV, etc. are all names given to container formats. WMV
> might contain h264 internally, or it might contain one of the
> "Microsoft Video" codecs, … 

Actually, WMV appears not to be a container format - but a family of codecs.

Apparently the .wmv files we see distributed on the net are most always WMV 
codec video contained in a ASF container.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.wmv

I don't believe I've ever encountered a .wmv file containing h264. One probably 
wouldn't actually notice, in normal use, if one did receive such a file, 
assuming it worked when one clicked on it.

However I find it extremely unlikely to imagine anyone putting h264 in a .wmv 
file (or an ASF container). We all commonly put h264 in .mp4 or .mkv 
containers. 

> Sometimes that's because of patent issues, sometimes that's because
> there aren't enough useful samples, and sometimes that's because
> nobody cares about a codec nobody's seriously used since 1997.

I'm pretty sure we're able to play back WMV7, WMV9 / AC-1 videos without these 
binary decoders. It's probably not very useful to talk about codecs "nobody's 
seriously used since 1997." I *am* pretty sure that upstream mplayer *do* 
generally say "don't bother with the win32codecs". The goal here to to get 
Mark's video playing, and he's given no indication it's some old file he found 
on a 1998 system.

Stroller.


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