On Thursday, September 15, 2011 06:44:58 PM Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Mark Knecht <markkne...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Mike Edenfield <kut...@kutulu.org> wrote: > >> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:16:03 PM Joost Roeleveld wrote: > >>> On Thursday, September 15, 2011 04:42:23 PM Mike Edenfield wrote: > >>> > I would estimate that the vast, vast, vast majority of users are > >>> > those such as myslelf, who have no opinion whatsoever, and > >>> > either will not be affected at all by these changes (because > >>> > they don't separate / and /usr), or will simply apply the > >>> > proposed initramfs solution and move on. > >>> > >>> You also don't have /var (or /var/log) seperated? Or any of the > >>> other parts of the filesystem that might be required by udev-rules? > >> > >> Speaking solely for myself, no. Years ago I routinely split /, /usr, > >> and /var when setting up my FreeBSD systems, and found that it only > >> ever caused problems when I could not get /usr or /var mounted when I > >> needed them. > >> > >> At least since I switched to Gentoo, I've simply set up one partition > >> with everything on it, and kept regular backups in case of failure. > >> > >> I clearly recognize that there are valid reasons to split your > >> partitions, I have just never found any of them applicable to my > >> situations. > >> > >> --Mike > > > > My first response to this 300+ post thread, and only to say that in > > something like 15 years of playing with & using Linux I've never split > > /usr & no longer split /var. I also don't use LVM or anything fancy > > like that. I just keep backups and use them if there's a failure. Life > > is pretty simple. > > > > My suspicion is that by far most casual desktop users of Linux, Gentoo > > based or not, run pretty much this way and will be unaffected by this > > whole change and as such have no reason to post. > > Ubuntu recommends /, /home and swap [1]. Fedora recommends /, /boot > and swap [2]. OpenSUSE has several sets, but the "simple" and "dual > booting" recommends /, /boot, /home and swap [3]. Debian says [4]: > > "For new users, personal Debian boxes, home systems, and other > single-user setups, a single / partition (plus swap) is probably the > easiest, simplest way to go. However, this might not be such a good > idea when you have lots of disk capacity, e.g., 20GB or so. Ext2 > partitions tend to perform poorly on file system integrity checking > when they are larger than 6GB or so. > > For multi-user systems or systems with lots of disk, it's best to put > /usr, /var, /tmp, and /home each on their own partitions separate from > the / partition." > > Interestingly, the Gentoo handbook [5] recommends /, /boot and swap. > Damn, I haven't installed Gentoo in a long time, I hadn't looked at > the handbook in years. > > Anyway, Debian is the only "big" distro recommending separated /usr, > and then only for multiuser setups. It's really years since I've > looked at the recommended partition schemes: when I started using > Linux, a separated /home was almost a must. And we had tiny hard > drives then. Now get out of my lawn.
Gentoo still has some guides recommending split /usr: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml There are several people using this type of layout. The suggested partitioning scheme is usually for beginner installations. Not necessarily for larger installations with specific requirements. The debian guide talks about 20GB drives. I don't have those anymore. the smallest drive I have is a 320GB IDE-drive for the database server in the lab. The server has 2 mirrored 500GB drives for the OS, email and websites. The rest of the data is on drives larger then 1TB. Sticking all these on a single partition is going to take forever to fsck and will make maintenance a nightmare. I like the flexibility LVM brings me. On the gentoo-dev list, I am now hearing that in future, I will need to use a full initramfs for my usecase. I'm trying to find out if there is a way to avoid this. Once I find out, I will post the info here. -- Joost > Regards. > > [1] http://www.easy-ubuntu-linux.com/ubuntu-installation-606-7.html > [2] > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/13/html/Installation_Guide/s2-di > skpartrecommend-x86.html [3] http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Partitioning > [4] http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/ch-partitioning.en.html > [5] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-amd64.xml?full=1
