Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 5:03 PM, Dale<rdalek1...@gmail.com> wrote:
Canek Peláez Valdés wrote:
I htink almost everyone understand this. Regards.
I think you are one of *very* few that understands this.
This reminds me of a old joke. One in four people have a mental issue.
Check three friends and if they are OK, you are it. Again, it is a joke
but my point is, very few people are liking this. That alone should say a
lot.
I know, but Open Source has never been a democracy. It is a
meritocracy. No matter how many get upset by a change, the opinions
that matter are from those writing the code.
This is a very few people forcing a change that no one wants.
That's a contradiction, isn't it? The "few people" forcing the change
want it, I hope.
It's not. So far, one dev made the decision to do this and a few have
agreed. There are lots of people, as noted in this thread, that
disagree. Some of those people have been using Linux for a very long
time. I don't know how long you have been using Linux but I'm pushing
ten years myself. I suspect that Neil and Alan, and maybe others, have
been using Linux a LOT longer than that. Maybe more than both of us put
together. When I see a post by Alan or Neil, I read it carefully.
There are Linux idiots in this world but they are not one of them. On
some subjects, I fall into the ignorance category. I don't claim to
know it all but some things I do know well.
You seem to fail to understand that.
I don't agree with the "few people" and the "no one wants" parts. I
understand that this change is upseting some people, but I don't think
you (nor I) can say for sure if it's even a majority of Gentoo users,
and even if it were, again, Open Source is not a democracy.
I don't think you quite understood my wording. I think you mentioned
English is not your first language so this happens a lot. I hope the
above helped.
If this "new way" of doing things causes
someones server to be hacked, I would be looking for that dev that started
this mess. I don't run some large server but some on here do and this is
important as it gets.
If you don't trust this change, you can always change distro/OS (Alan
even recommended it).
I'm putting that in the consideration bin. It could be a possibility.
I like to stick with things but if I'm going to be told to bend over and
take it, they could at least bring some Vaseline. It seems some of the
things I left Mandrake over are coming to Gentoo. Almost makes me
wonder if I should have left. Well, I have had some good years so far.
Plus I like helping folks on this list too.
Personally, if I'm going to have to start running my Gentoo box like a
binary based distro, I may as well use a binary based distro. If others
feel like I do, then Gentoo may start losing users. I got away from
Mandrake for reasons such as this.
That's your prerrogative. And that's why I'm saying my word in the
list: I'm pretty sure many users in the list (which are not all the
Gentoo users) are not really upset with this change. The other POV has
to be heard.
A init* is just one more thing to break.
If you been on this list long enough, you know my record for finding things
that are really crappy. One that comes to mind is hal. I can assure you I
can find other examples. People complained about hal and the dev didn't
seem to listen until it really hit the fan. I think the replacement was
made by the same dev but maybe after listening a bit he found where he could
improve things. I wish the person behind this could do the same before he
breaks a lot of stuff. By the way, as Alan and others can point out, I
never got hal to work on my system. It was nothing fancy either. At the
time it was a Abit NF7 mobo with IDE drives and a PS/2 mouse and keyboard.
If a package can't work right on something as basic as that, it has little
hope of anything fancy for sure.
I agree with HAL being a failed experiment: but I think we had to try
it before discarding the idea. Maybe the crap will also hit the fan
with this: I don't know (lost my crystal ball, sorry). But I really
don't believe it, and I have some experience with Linux and Unix and
this kind of stuff. Maybe I'm wrong of course.
It was more than failed. It was miserable.
I'm going back to my garden. You have fun promoting this mess that is being
created. You seem to enjoy it a lot.
I'm not promoting anything. Just want to get into the record that some
users don't mind this change, and some of us even welcome it.
The discussion I think has been interesting and civil. I do enjoy it.
Regards.
Some don't but my point still stands. If this becomes a security issue
for someone with a rig that can't adapt, I'd have some really choice
words for a dev if I had a server that I depended on. I think Alan has
already pointed out some of those exceptions. Alan is more able to
explain that than me for sure. He sits at some of those servers and I
don't.
Dale
:-) :-)
