On Sunday 05 Jun 2011 16:48:19 David W Noon wrote: > On Sun, 05 Jun 2011 01:00:01 +0200, Mick wrote about [gentoo-user] Re: > > Threads changing Was: OT: website design: > >David W Noon wrote: > [snip] > > >> I hope all is clear now. > > > >... as mud! > > > >This reply of yours (unlike your previous) is shown as a new thread in > >Knode, not as a threaded reply to Dale's message. :@ > > > >PS. I'm responding using Knode and news.gmane.org as an NNTP server, > >to see what difference this may make. > > Well, here are some interesting header lines from my message to which > you are replying: > > Message-ID: <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> > > References: <gzysg-h5...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <gzysg-h5...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> > > X-Original-Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> > > X-Original-References: <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h04rr-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> > <h05ku-3f...@gated-at.bofh.it> > > The X-Original-Message-ID: line is a rewrite of the original Message-ID: > line Claws-Mail assigned when I wrote the message. The Message-ID: > line is the replacement generated by the bofh.it list server. These > both look quite kosher.
I am getting a headache! O_O
This is what Knode is showing as header references in your message that I
thereafter responded using Knode and news.gmane.org:
Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: David W Noon <dwn...@ntlworld.com>
Newsgroups: gmane.linux.gentoo.user
Subject: Re: Threads changing Was: OT: website design
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 23:22:00 +0100
Organization: Luton Operatic Society
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Approved: n...@gmane.org
Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local> [1]
References: <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rr-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h05ku-3f...@gated-at.bofh.it>
Reply-To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org
NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=PGP-SHA1;
[1] As you can see the Message ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>
shown on Usenet is different to the Message-ID: <h07vY-7fk-13@gated-
at.bofh.it> which you mention above, but the same with your X-Original-
Message-ID: <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>.
The Usenet headers do not show any X-Original-References: in your message, at
least not in my Knode.
The email headers also do not show any X-Original-References: at least in my
Kmail. :(
> Now, when we look at the References: and X-Original-References: lines,
> we see that the list server has rewritten the message id's of all the
> messages referred to earlier in the thread. I find this a little
> strange, as it seems that the message id's sent to Usenet differ from
> the ones sent via email.
I'm not entirely sure that this rewriting is a list server action and wonder
if it has something to do with your fetchmail setup ...
> If we now look at the innards of your message, the one to which I am
> currently replying, we see this:
>
> References: <gzysg-h5...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <gzysg-h5...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h07vy-7fk...@gated-at.bofh.it>
>
> X-Original-References: <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <h04rr-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h05ku-3f...@gated-at.bofh.it>
> <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>
>
> The last message id in your X-Original-References: line has used my
> original message id, not the one from the Message-ID: line generated by
> the Gentoo list server. This should not cause problems, as the better
> mail and news readers should only use In-Reply-To: and References:
> header lines for the initial threading.
>
> I should point out that I always post by SMTP to
> gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org, and never through an NNTP server (not
> even my own). This means that you should not see my original
> Message-ID: line, except after it has been rewritten and replaced by
> the list server.
My Knode reply was via news.gmane.org, but all my other messages (inc. this)
is to gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org.
> So, why is KNode using my original message id for its References: line?
>
> Could you please look at the Message-ID: and X-Original-Message-ID:
> lines in my previous message and compare them to those I posted above?
I've done that as I'm showing above. I've also compared the email and news
message headers of my previous response through Knode:
Email headers:
Message-ID: <ised0l$m87$1...@dough.gmane.org>
References: <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rr-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h05ku-3f...@gated-at.bofh.it> <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>
and News headers:
Message-ID: <ised0l$m87$1...@dough.gmane.org>
References: <gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rs-2l8...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<gzxpy-7qa...@gated-at.bofh.it> <h04rr-2l...@gated-at.bofh.it>
<h05ku-3f...@gated-at.bofh.it> <20110604232200.36c03637@karnak.local>
Hope this helps somehow ...
--
Regards,
Mick
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