On 7/12/21 10:30 AM, Peter Stuge wrote:
Matt Turner wrote:
If you can find a case where you wouldn't want to enable one of these
USE flags, please let me know and I'll reconsider my position.
My catalyst spec files all have use: -* foo bar x y z
specifically because the defaults are never what I want for any given
system. I build desktops, servers, containers, VM appliance images and
embedded system, and I know what I want in each one. Especially the
latter frequently have only very few USE flags set and I want zero
extra dependencies.
I think you're making a great argument that you'd be completely
unaffected by any of the suggestions in this thread.
I don't consider needing "use: -*" at all a desirable situation. This
catalyst warning might support that:
Warning!!!
The use of -* in $stage/use will cause portage to ignore
package.use in the profile and portage_confdir. You've been warned!
I see it as a shortcoming of the standard profiles that I have to
essentially create my own in order to get what I want, as opposed
to being able to build upon something truly minimal.
I'd claim most of these packages' bzip2/lzma/zstd USE flags should
be removed in favor of statically enabling them
That is the direct opposite of Gentoo's single most core value: choice
Choice makes sense when there's a legitimate trade-off to be made.
I explained that and why I frequently do not want those USE flags set,
demonstrating that I want choice here.
You can of course dismiss any concern which disagrees with your opinion as
illegitimate. Please do not bother asking questions if that's your style.
Choice isn't dogma.
Is there a difference between dogma and value? I understand choice to be
a core value in Gentoo. Maybe that's wrong (now)? Core values are more
important than pretty much anything else.
Choice isn't always possible. That's not this case. If choice is indeed
a core value then where choice is pretty easy (this case) in my mind
there needs to be an overwhelmingly strong argument to conciously and
intentionally disable choice.
Just don't do it. Kthx.
This kind of thing is nothing but irritating. Please don't do this.
I'm sorry if it wasn't clear that "Just don't do it. Kthx." meant
exactly what you wrote:
This kind of thing (increase default USE-flags) is nothing but irritating.
Please don't do this.
Kind regards
//Peter
Hi Peter,
Nobody is "disabling choice" here, a change in defaults doesn't remove
your ability to choose something else.
And I understand your sentiment that adding more default-on flags goes
against YOUR goals of a minimal gentoo, but I'd like to remind you and
others that this minimalism is not the goal of every gentoo user.
More default features might irritate you and other minimalists, but it
may significantly improve the gentoo experiences of everyone else.
I want to be clear that I'm not saying you are wrong, but remember that
your perspective is not the only correct one on this topic.
-Ben
