On 19-04-30 17:36:46, Robin H. Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 07:24:45PM +0200, Michał Górny wrote: > > On Tue, 2019-04-30 at 19:20 +0200, Kristian Fiskerstrand wrote: > > > On 4/30/19 7:18 PM, Michał Górny wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2019-04-29 at 22:34 +0200, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote: > > > > > In this article on chat services used for OSS: > > > > > > > > > > https://catfox.life/2019/04/28/keeping-libre-software-accessible-to-all/ > > > > > > > > > > I was surprised to see a mention of Gentoo as a project that uses > > > > > "Discord > > > > > as an official method of communication". When I searched, I indeed > > > > > found > > > > > https://discordapp.com/invite/gentoo. However, I'd never before heard > > > > > we > > > > > were using Discord (and didn't find any mentions of Discord on the > > > > > -dev or > > > > > -project mailing lists). > > > > > > > > > > Is this indeed an official venue? It's not listed on > > > > > https://gentoo.org/support/ (which does mention IRC). > > > > > > > > > I've contacted the author and the author refused to change it. > > > > The claim is that 'PR team runs it', '8 Gentoo developers have admin > > > > rights', 'i.e. it is sanctioned by the project itself'. I was suggested > > > > that if it's not official, we should close it instead. > > > > > > If that is how it is perceived I'd be in favor of outright closing it at > > > least > > > > > I suppose the problem boils down to 'perceived by whom'. > "What's official" is part of the problem. > > The PR wiki page DOES list Discord as one of the official channels, > along with other non-libre Silos. > https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Public_Relations#Social_silos_and_chat > > A better question is: in keeping with social contract, but balancing > that users do want to be on different services, what material should be > on each silo? > - Announcements (copied to multiple locations) > - chat/forum-style support mechanisms for users on those silos > > I disagree with awilfox's assertion that libre software should not > _use_ non-libre silos; I feel a better statement is that libre software > should not DEPEND on non-libre silos where possible, and offer libre > alternatives (IRC, despite it's problems). >
I agree with that statement (that we should not depend on non-libre silos). moderation of the discord server is another question (after this discussion I suppose). -- Matthew Thode (prometheanfire)
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