On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Michael Orlitzky <m...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 02/02/2017 01:01 PM, Rich Freeman wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 2, 2017 at 11:25 AM, Michael Orlitzky <m...@gentoo.org> wrote: >>> >>> If (base == minimal), then all of the upstream defaults need to be added >>> to package.use for the upstream-defaults profile. That's bad, >> >> I'll go further and say that it is unacceptably bad. >> > > Only if anyone wants an upstream-defaults profile. But nobody's asked > for one, in contrast with the large number of users who want minimal. >
People already have one effectively, so they're not going to ask. But, if it makes you happier, I'll ask for one. :) If Gentoo didn't have a reasonable way to get mostly upstream defaults, I probably wouldn't be using Gentoo. > >> I still think that we shouldn't encourage users to lightly deviate >> from all the upstream defaults. > > Deviating from upstream defaults is why we have USE flags in the first > place. No one really wants the upstream defaults, they want > > (nothing) + (what their profile provides) + (what they enable), Well, I'm somebody, and I want: (upstream defaults) + (profile settings) + (what I enable) - (what I disable) I certainly don't set USE=-*, even on my containers. > > If dropping an IUSE default hurts some profile, then stick the default > in that profile. Nothing breaks, and it's not too much work There are probably thousands of package+USE combinations in IUSE statements. Putting these all into a profile is anything but straightforward. I don't want globally-enabled/disabled USE flags in my base profile. I want the settings that make sense for each specific package, which requires taking the time to evaluate each package. This is time that maintainers have already invested. I personally have zero-interest in minimal systems. If others want to set USE=-* that's great for them, and if somebody wants to create a profile that sets USE=-* and has some per-package exceptions to fix a few things, that is also great. If there are cases where we can do things a little differently to make life easier on these sorts of users, we should do that. However, limiting IUSE defaults just to settings minimally necessary to get a package to build just makes it impossible to use Gentoo practically without reviewing a bazillion USE flags. There is no reason everybody can't have their own way, but IMO it is much simpler to do this with a minimal profile. -- Rich
