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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 00:32:08 +0100
Mike Auty <ike...@gentoo.org> wrote:

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> On 09/08/13 21:32, Tom Wijsman wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 03:11:55 +0800 Ben de Groot <yng...@gentoo.org>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >> On 9 August 2013 21:57, Michał Górny <mgo...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >>> This one is *so special* just because we have a few folks
> >>> which really have nothing useful to do and instead spit their
> >>> systemd hatred on gentoo-dev@ and expect others to join their
> >>> stupid vendetta.
> >> 
> >> Please keep your insults off this list. You may want to deny
> >> them, but there are valid reasons why people oppose systemd. It
> >> doesn't help to keep so aggressively pushing it.
> > 
> > Neither does it help to make statements like "People are free to
> > use a saner desktop environment..." which add nothing to the
> > discussion, which in fact can be seen as an insult as well; because
> > "sane" basically stands for "free from mental derangement" or "free
> > from being unreasonably, unsound judgment or bad sense" where both
> > come close to what people will perceive as the negative form of
> > "stupid".
> 
> I'm not sure where you're quoting from, it doesn't appear to have been
> the thread Ben was commenting on.

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.devel/87206

> I'm glad someone stepped in and said something, Michael's comments
> appeared overly aggressive, as they would have even if the word hatred
> had read agenda.  I'm not sure why there were so many rebuttals of his
> request to keep things civil. It wasn't a statement for or against
> systemd, it was a request to maintain a hospitable environment...

We're on the same line for that part.

Note that I do not disagree with Ben's request, thus did not re[bf]ute;
I wanted to point out why people that try to construct were annoyed. If
he then makes such request it doesn't help that he did a similar thing
earlier himself, therefore I am making the same request back to him.

In a conflict, there are always two sides; in order to maintain a
hospitable environment, both sides have to make an effort to reach that.

So, both sides calling things more sane or more hateful is not civil...

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Tom Wijsman (TomWij)
Gentoo Developer

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