On Thu, Aug 08, 2013 at 01:19:34AM -0500, Daniel Campbell wrote: > On 08/07/2013 10:16 AM, Pacho Ramos wrote: > > Also, I think we should stop spending a lot of time trying to keep it > > working with openrc, we simply don't have resources to do that at the > > moment (even Debian/Ubuntu people are stick with systemd-204 because > > they don't have resources to keep logind working without systemd in > > newer versions). Now, we are needing to put a lot of effort on trying to > > provide unit files and provide systemd related fixes in the tree because > > we haven't (in general) pay attention to systemd at all => I think we > > should put more efforts on it than trying to work on hacks to prevent > > systemd dependency. > > I agree that there's no point in hacking software that voluntarily ties > itself to systemd to *not* be tied to it, but dependency on any single > init system is a bad idea. There are multiple kernels, multiple libc's, > multiple device management layers, multiple inits, etc. Preventing > dependency on certain things is a good way to enforce software diversity. > > Granted, in systemd's case Gentoo's not the place to do it. It's the > upstreams that should be convinced or told not to depend on a single > init system.
As the primary upstream for OpenRc, I can assure you that work on it is not stopping; OpenRc isn't dead. I agree with this position too though. It isn't up to the gentoo teams to try to force things like gnome-3.8 to work with OpenRc; the upstream projects should be convinced that depending on systemd (or any other init system specifically) is not a good idea. William
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