On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Tom Wijsman <tom...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Wed, 15 May 2013 17:10:03 +0200 > Luca Barbato <lu_z...@gentoo.org> wrote: > >> - those not using the latest glibc (and maybe uclibc) > > Did you test this? Are there more specific details regarding this? > Which version don't work? Is it known why? > >> - those not using a recent linux kernel > > It works on all gentoo-sources kernels (I test them), is 2.6 meant with > not recent or are these kernels even older? Those kind of people likely > don't care much about upgrading anyway and thus don't need systemd, but > they rather enjoy to have a system full of security issues.
Don't take it personally or as an attack on systemd. I think he was just pointing out that there are many use cases where systemd may not be appropriate. I'm sure if you pulled a glibc from 10 years ago there would be a pretty good chance that systemd wouldn't work, but openrc is mainly based on shell (not even bash), so it would be pretty likely to work. Likewise if you picked a kernel from a few years ago systemd with all its use of cgroups and such probably wouldn't work, while openrc is simpler. Certainly if you picked a FreeBSD kernel systemd will not work. (Keep in mind the set of systems not using a recent linux kernel includes all systems that don't run linux at all.) In any case, there really isn't any "decision" to make here. As long as devs want to support openrc it will be supported. Likewise with eudev. As long as devs want to support systemd and udev those will be options as well. The beauty of Gentoo is that more than any distro it maximizes the options for our users. The changes in Gnome may eliminate Gnome+openrc as a practical option, and when those teams stop supporting the combo then users will have to make a choice to not use one or the other. Gentoo is about choice, but that doesn't mean that we have to offer EVERY possible choice. If somebody wants to support my hp48 calculator as a Gentoo arch that would be great, but that doesn't mean that I can start hassling teams to do the work for me. Gentoo is about working TOGETHER to provide choices, not about telling others to make choices work for you. Rich
