On 19 January 2013 18:26, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 3:26 AM, Ben de Groot <yng...@gentoo.org> wrote: >> >> People who do have printers can always enable it themselves. I don't >> see any reason for cups to be enabled by default, especially not on a >> minimal profile, and that includes the simple desktop profile. The kde >> and gnome profiles are expected to be more "complete". >> > > Unless we plan on adding yet another profile for "normal" users I > think this is really pushing it. I'm not sure I buy disabling it on > the default profile, let alone the desktop one.
I guess it comes down to either this, or the creation of a truly minimal profile, which quite a few people really want. > Yes, I'm sure some people don't own printers. However, that figure > has to be fairly low. I'm not so sure about that. The majority of my friends and colleagues don't own a printer. When we do need to print something, it would be for work, so we have it printed at work. > Yes, users who have printers can enable it, but > those without printers can also disable it. I don't think I actually > know anybody who owns a computer but not a printer. Frequency of use > has to count for something here. Indeed, and from what I see around me, that is fairly low. But this could be a cultural difference. > Maybe we should have some kind of use-case to guide how we create each > profile. I'm concerned that the default profile is going to turn into > something that isn't actually useful for anybody. It will still be > too heavy for people who are running embedded, it will be way to light > for people who just want a computer that works, it won't have support > for things people need on servers, and so on. If the "default" > profile isn't actually intended to be used by anybody we can be > up-front about that and then create a profile that actually can be > used. I think the default should be minimal but useful. > For the desktop profile I think that it shouldn't pull in > KDE/Gnome-related deps/features (which are REALLY heavy), but > otherwise should be similar to what you'd get on any other > desktop-oriented distro (debian, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, mint, arch, > etc). That generally means that the packages that are installed > should be fairly feature-complete, especially around things like > multimedia, etc. Could you imagine ANY other desktop-oriented distro > not having printer support by default? Actually, that is what I would expect from the more "basic" oriented ones like Arch and Debian. Printer support should be an optional add-on, not part of the basic install. Maybe I'm too idealistic... -- Cheers, Ben | yngwin Gentoo developer Gentoo Qt project lead, Gentoo Wiki admin
