On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:59 AM, Rich Freeman <ri...@gentoo.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 6:54 AM, Alexis Ballier <aball...@gentoo.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:10:12 -0800
>> ""Paweł Hajdan, Jr."" <phajdan...@gentoo.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> What when chromium upstream uses code more recent than latest ffmpeg
>>> release and it doesn't compile against latest release?
>>
>> Blame them, it's stupid to break support for the latest release.
>> Usually, it's quite trivial to maintain compatibility and you should
>> probably lobby upstream to get this as a rule, it'd make life simpler
>> for everyone. Or just patch releases not to use too bleeding-edge code
>> (see mplayer for example).
>
> While I agree in principle, that is much easier said than done.  I
> think upstream is more likely to consider the concept of a linux
> distro broken than their code.
>
> The unpacked chromium distfile is 1.1G, of which 694M is third party
> source-code.  The chromium team has done an excellent job of disabling
> much of that, but the upstream attitude clearly is to cherry-pick
> their dependencies.  This is pretty typical for Google projects from
> what I've seen - ChromeOS basically is a fork of Gentoo with many
> packages being fairly dated, and Android does just about everything
> its own way, typically releasing third-party code into production
> before any upstream packages have access to it.

Google generally prefers agility. Particularly when machines have gobs
of memory (so bundling is not as big of a deal as it was previously)
and they can staff security fixes for all their bundled libs. This is
quite a pervasive attitude there. Coming from a distribution
background it can be weird to see the different priorities (and
terrible systems that build the packages that work on $DISTRO, ew.)

-A

>
> Of course, we should encourage upstream to improve its practices.  I
> just wouldn't count on it, so I think we need to give the chromium
> team discretion on just how much patching they think they can handle.
> They're obviously pretty good at it already.
>
> Rich
>

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