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On 15/01/13 09:39 AM, Dirkjan Ochtman wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ian Stakenvicius <a...@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
>> Bikeshedding, but I'm thinking that it would be better to provide
>> a whole separate command for this rather than a quicker
>> convenience option -- the command would, for instance, also
>> include @world as the target by default.  As for the options, i'd
>> recommend adding --ask and - --verbose
>> 
>> The advantage I see for it being an extra command is that it's a
>> clear one-purpose convenience command; while if we use the '-U'
>> option there'll be others that will probably add additional
>> modifier options and possibly also use it against targets other
>> than @world; i'm not sure if we'd want people to do that by
>> default..
> 
> Yeah, but this is another command to remember. Since the purpose
> is quite similar to other emerge actions, I think it should just
> be provided by emerge (and documented clearly up top in man emerge
> and emerge -h).
> 
> I was rather wondering about the other direction: include --deep
> and --reinstall=changed-use in an --update action. This would
> actually make more sense to me; I think those options still make
> sense for single-package or other-set emerges?
> 
> I don't mind adding --ask and --verbose, but I think they should
> be orthogonal. Some of this I guess depends on it being a separate 
> command. I think the better solution is to just provide a clear
> path to upgrades, i.e. an -u/--update action with better defaults
> (even if the backwards compatibility might be a little crappy --
> might deserve a news item).
> 


I don't know about changing default -u behaviour...  I still use
'emerge -u [package]' for instance if I want to upgrade just one
package.  I'd rather not have to negate the --deep and
- --reinstall=changed-use  (well, the --deep, anyhow) when i do this.

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