On 12/01/2012 11:21 PM, Diego Elio Pettenò wrote: > On 01/12/2012 20:09, Michael Orlitzky wrote: >> The only way to know what's going on is to read the ebuild. And nobody >> has the time to do that for every default USE flag change, especially >> when you're managing multiple machines. >> >> In this case, USE="-minimal" is really USE="make_it_work_at_all", for >> anyone who installs openldap on purpose. > > Not really. Have you ever managed a network of multiple servers and > clients? It's extremely common to have USE=minimal on clients, and not > on servers, as that's what (most of the time) USE=minimal refers to. >
I have, and I have no idea what USE=minimal usually refers to, because it differs wildly from package to package. I suspect most people know even less than I do. >> Maybe his boss isn't good with the terminal, and makes him install GNOME >> on the servers? Who knows. The profile name is just an arbitrary string >> associated with a set of defaults. People do weird things. This is not >> in itself proof that the admin is an idiot deserving of punishment. > > The profile name is not "just an arbitrary string" — it's a description. > If you don't read and understand a description as easy as "desktop", I > reserve the right to think you're an idiot. You can reserve the right of > thinking whatever you want about me, but my opinion still stands. > > I've had GNOME, or KDE, in many systems before that I wouldn't count as > "desktops" — you know how I handled them? Not going through the > "desktop" profile. Seriously. > Everyone on this list knows this, I suppose. But it's unrealistic to suppose that everyone does. >> Anyway, I'm fine with the change as long as there's a news item. I just >> get annoyed with the "don't use Gentoo unless you like your stuff >> broken" attitude. > > Guess what? I run Gentoo system in production and I also don't want them > to be broken. On the other hand I _do_ pay attention on what's going on, > especially because unless you install everything and the kitchen sink, > the updates on a weekly basis, for stable, are not that major. > > Sure, sometimes I have to look up what an USE flag does (and no, most of > the time I don't have to read the ebuild, we have descriptions in > metadata.xml for a reason!), but most of the time everything is > extremely easy to set up, and I don't usually get overthrown by > defaults' changes. > > Among others because for stuff I _really_ care about, I don't rely on > defaults but I set my flags explicitly (so yes I have a bunch of > packages that have -minimal in the package.use file). > $ cat /usr/portage/net-nds/openldap/metadata.xml And most people don't even know that metadata.xml exists. In my previous message, I said, "but you shouldn't use yourself as the bar against which you measure everyone else." You've countered with a list of things that you personally know and do, and therefore (as they've become commonplace to you) expect everyone else to know and do.
