On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Kacper Kowalik <xarthis...@gentoo.org> wrote: > On 18.11.2012 08:57, Greg KH wrote: >> On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 11:02:19PM -0800, Alec Warner wrote: >>> 1) systemd-udev will require systemd. Stated by the systemd >>> maintainers themselves as a thing they want to do in the future. Some >>> users don't want to use systemd. We could go into detail as to why; >>> but I think that is not as important as one may think. The point is >>> that the desire is there, and thusly there are users who want to make >>> other systems (namely openrc) work. >>> >>> People like openrc. My VMs for instance, boot reasonably quickly. >>> Booting 5 seconds faster may be super duper, but not at the cost of an >>> existing reliable solution. >> >> So is this the goal? Great, someone say that then, that's all I'm >> asking for here. >> >>>> That's wonderful, seriously. But why is this suddenly an official >>>> Gentoo project? When did that happen, and why? Why not just do a >>>> "normal" project and if it matures and is good enough, then add it to >>>> the distro like all other packages are added. >>>> >>>> My main point here is the fact that this is now being seen as an act by >>>> Gentoo, the distro / foundation. And that happened in private, without >>>> any anouncement. Which is not good on many levels. >>> >>> I'm unsure on what grounds you disapprove. People start (and abandon) >>> projects often in Gentoo. Suddenly you dislike one such project and >>> object to this practice? Certainly if we had to get some sort of >>> Foundation consensus (for anything) nothing would happen. We can't >>> even get more than 40% of foundation members to vote. >> >> I object if this is seen as a "Gentoo blessed" fork of a community >> project that is worked on by all other major Linux distros. That is the >> type of decision that can be made by the Gentoo Council, which is fine, >> but it sure would be nice if it were publicly stated, instead of having >> to see it on the Gentoo github site instead. > > Hi, > I've seen this argument being repeated all over this thread and I'd like > to clarify: http://github.com/gentoo (nor it's bitbucket.org > counterpart) was never meant to host "Gentoo blessed" forks/projects and > it *doesn't*. > Sole purpose of it, was to encourage more contribution from users using > web goodies like "click a button to fork", since most of the people are > very comfortable with github's workflow. We (gentoo-science team) have > seen significant increase of interest since we've started using github. > Cheers, > Kacper
Hi, Well, if yoiu fork a big community project, like udev, in a github account called gentoo, people *will* think it is a Gentoo project. If these organizations aren't governed by Gentoo they should have some disclaimers, saying that the projects hosted there aren't sponsored by Gentoo, but this udev-ng/eudev/whatever thing does the opposite and actually advertise the Gentoo sponsorship with the sentence "This is a Gentoo sponsored project and testing is currently being done with openrc." in their README I don't think that someone can claim this sponsorship without a council vote. I disagree with this fork, and tend to agree with what Greg and Diego said before in this thread. BR, Rafael > P.s. Just to emphasise it even more: There's a pornview fork there too. > I don't recall Gentoo Council acknowledging it as default imageviewer. > We should definitely put it into agenda. </reductio ad absurdum> You really want to compare pornview, that was dead and someone kindly resurrected, with udev, that is actively maintained and the quality of the fork is questionable? :( >> And if that is the decision of the council, I would expect the ability >> to have some type of discussion about it, wouldn't you? >> >> Also, the whole issue with the copyrights is very serious, for the >> reasons I've stated before. Don't mess with copyrights, developers, and >> companies, take them very serious, as they are the basis for our >> licenses. >> >> thanks, >> >> greg k-h >> > > > -- Rafael Goncalves Martins Gentoo Linux developer http://rafaelmartins.eng.br/
