On Saturday 12 November 2011 20:26:54 Chí-Thanh Christopher Nguyễn wrote: > Joshua Saddler schrieb: > > if net-tools isn't being dropped from the system set, don't force our > > users to install redundant utilities. > > ip is not redundant. You need it for e.g. GRE tunnels.
for basic setups, it is completely redundant. which is the only case we're talking about here. > net-tools uses the old /proc/net/dev interface, while iproute uses > netlink. This is very much like wireless extensions vs. cfg80211, where > the old interface is still around for legacy compatibility but won't > receive updates for new features. Eventually, you want to get rid of all > /proc/net/dev and wext stuff in order to have a legacy-free system. considering the tools work fine for the use cases we're talking about, and there are no plans i know of to ever have these interfaces go away, and there are no significant (or any at all?) efforts to replace all of net-tools. > I would be very much in favour of not installing net-tools by default as > soon as openrc switches to iproute. However I think this would make many > users unhappy so has to be carefully prepared and users educated first. > Debian has set this goal in 2007[1] and they have not reached it yet. you keep saying "net-tools" when you actually mean "ifconfig". the net-tools package provides quite a bit more than the common ifconfig/route/iptunnel tools which ip replaces and for which there are no replacements. -mike
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