On 10/16/2011 05:52 AM, Ian Stakenvicius wrote: > On 15/10/11 06:07 PM, Zac Medico wrote: >> On 10/15/2011 01:57 AM, Wulf C. Krueger wrote: >>> On 15.10.2011 10:42, Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: >>>> in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? >>> >>> We don't support /usr on a separate partition. People can, of course, do >>> that and I'll point them to dracut for creating an initramfs. >>> >>> Or they can do whatever works for them. People using Exherbo are >>> expected to be able to deal with such stuff. >> >> I don't think it's a good idea for Gentoo to encourage users to have >> /usr on a separate partition. We should probably remove the separate >> /usr partition from "Code Listing 2.1: Filesystem usage example" in our >> handbook: >> >> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=1&chap=4#doc_chap2_pre1 >> > > For desktops i've never seen much purpose of having /usr on its own > partition (or more than the usual 3 of /boot,/,swap tbh), but for > servers I have seen a lot of configurations over the years that put /usr > on its own partition. Exherbo aside, I would expect that Gentoo would > (continue to?) support doing this.
Well, you'll have to define the meaning of "support" in this context. I simply said that it shouldn't be encouraged, with me reason being that it tends to add unnecessary complexity (in violation of the KISS principle [1]). > As per the documentation itself, Code Listing 2.1 is i believe an > example of what is possible, not what we are encouraging users to do. > That doc seems pretty clear that the default is partitioning scheme is > the default /boot,/,swap ... Why should our main installation docs mention a configuration that the vast majority of our users (all?) would be better off without? > And just to confirm, doesn't udev's installation (which is primarily in > /lib) support /usr on a separate partition now, without an initramfs? What's the benefit of having /usr on a separate partition anyway? The only somewhat reasonable explanation that I've heard is so that it can be mounted readonly. If people want that, I think it's perfectly reasonable to expect them to use either an initramfs or a simple linuxrc approach [2] to ensure that /usr is mounted before init starts. For complex configurations like this, we can have a separate page of docs, like the raid+lvm2 page [3], and link it from the main installation docs if we want. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle [2] http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_20749880f5bc5feda141488498729fe8.xml [3] http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86+raid+lvm2-quickinstall.xml -- Thanks, Zac
