On Thu, 2009-07-02 at 22:14 +0200, Christian Faulhammer wrote: > Hi, > > in general you speak about the council but do you have any concrete > plans/goals you want to achieve?
I think we are in the information gathering phase right now on how to best proceed. So nothing concrete as of this point. More abstract ideas at this point. > Ned Ludd <so...@gentoo.org>: > > The dev population is quite a strange beast. I never expected to win. > > Nor did I, especially because you were quite low on my ballot. > Congratulations. > > > The devs have a voice one time of the year: when it comes time to > > vote. But what about the rest of the year? What happens when the > > person you voted for sucks? You are mostly powerless to do anything > > other than be really vocal in what seems like a never ending battle. > > That needs to change. I'm not quite sure how. But I'd like to see the > > dev body have a year-round voice in the council. Either via quick > > votes year-round on topics or simply by having discussion in the > > channel. Devs should have a right to voice their concerns to the > > council and engage in interactive conversations without being labeled > > troll. > > We have the forums for quick votes, votify is too much to get a > picture of opinions. So use -dev-announce and forums. > > > Another one of the things I'd like to see and help reform with the > > council. First off it spends way too much time on EAPI/PMS. There is > > no reason to make the council an extension of the portage team. > > As member of the PMS team I agree, we have to reach out to more > people. No matter how well Ciaran does the job as editor-in-chief > the process needs to be broadened to involve other groups, too. > > > For example prefix comes to mind. It was a project I did not like at > > first. I'm not even a user. And there are things I surely don't like > > about it as is. But there is community support and it's the icing on > > the cake for some. So I'll back the fsck up and give credit where > > it's due. This is a perfectly good example of a project/fork that > > needs to come back home. Perhaps it's time to cherry pick some more > > stuff/people out of Sunrise? > > Fully agree here, my devhood is a product of Sunrise. > > > desultory points out any two council members can decide to approve > > anything, and that decision is considered to be equivalent to a full > > council vote until the next meeting. I vaguely recall that rule. I'm > > not sure about you, but I think that is a little to much power to put > > in the hands of a few. Any dev mind if we dump that power? > > Maybe extend that to three, but leave such a emergency measure in > place. > > > Meetings will likely go back to one time per month and be +m with +v > > be handed out per request with open chat pre/post meetings. The > > reason for this is to keep the meetings on-track. I won't engage in > > endless discussions. Facts can be presented. They will be reviewed on > > merit, technical and social. > > Agree. > > > The reason the meetings should go back to monthly is to allow those > > who are council members in Gentoo to accomplish things other than the > > council only. We all have personal lives and we all have our > > respective roles we play outside of the council. Another note on > > meetings. The time they are held currently don't fit well with my > > work schedule. > > That you have to discuss with your fellow council members. > > > So lets have some damn fun again !...@#$ > > Oh yeah! > > V-Li -- Ned Ludd <so...@gentoo.org> Gentoo Linux
