On Fri, 2007-11-05 at 13:19 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote: > Olivier Crête wrote: > > On Fri, 2007-11-05 at 12:12 -0600, Jim Ramsay wrote: > > > Josh Saddler wrote: > > > > Jim Ramsay wrote: > > > > > I suppose I could also propose: > > > > > > > > > > 4) netscape-flash just RDEPENDS on libflashsupport all the time. > > > > > It's certainly not a large library to be added on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is a terrible idea. Don't make it "depend" on something that > > > > it clearly does *not* depend on. Flash works just fine without the > > > > optional add-ons, and those are *definitely* optional. I've never > > > > needed libflashsupport and would prefer not seeing useless cruft > > > > attached to a perfectly working Flash installation. > > > > > > Point taken - If you don't want the extra features you don't want > > > libflashsupport at all. > > > > > > I could make it so that if all of the USE flags for libflashsupport > > > are turned off it doesn't actually install the library at all, just > > > gets added to the list of installed packages. > > > > > > > If you're going to add it to USE, then make sure it's *not* on by > > > > default, thanks. > > > > > > This way it will adhere to your current set of global USE flags. If > > > you have pulseaudio, esd, oss, ssl, or gnutls on globally, it will > > > install libflashsupport with the appropriate hooks in it. If they > > > are all off (either globally or specifically for libflashsupport) > > > you will just get the same old netscape-flash with no add-ons. > > > > > > Is this a worthy compromise? > > > > This seems even worse.. I think either having one local use flag in > > netscape-flash is probably the best solution.. The second best is to > > have all of the use flags and RDEPEND on flash-support if any is > > enabled. > > Can you explain what you mean by "even worse"? I think my latest > solution is more correct than any of the others yet proposed. In fact, > here's another small improvement on it: > > Have netscape-flash with IUSE="vanilla" (by default it is off), which > when enabled will not pull in libflashsupport.
flashsupport should be disabled by default. I still think you should add a positive use flag to netscape-flash (call it flashsupport or or a combination of esd/ssl/gnutls/etc). > This meets the following goals: > > 1) It makes it easy for "regular" users to get netscape-flash with any > additions required by any global USE flags in exactly one step: > - emerge netscape-flash > This is my #1 goal, otherwise I'd just have 'libflashsupport' as its > own separate package and those "in the know" would install it > separately if they want any of the extra features. But users should not > have to have special knowledge to get the features they have already > enabled in their global USE flags. > > 2) It makes it easy for "power" users to not have libflashsupport > actually install anything by disabling all the USE flags. This will > take 3 steps: > - Notice at upgrade or install time that there's this new 'extra' > package being installed > - Enable the 'vanilla' flag for netscape-flash > - Continue with upgrade or install > > Also, having all of the ssl/gnutls/pulseaudio/esd/oss flags turned off > for libflashsupport will have the effect of not actually installing the > library, so the only added cost there is one more entry in the list of > installed packages, which I hope you will agree is basically zero. Installing a package without really installing it is EVIL. The db should represent whats installed on the system, otherwise it will become very very confusion for users. -- Olivier Crête [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gentoo Developer
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