On Thu, Apr 19, 2007 at 11:36:09AM +0100, Steve Long wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2007 10:29:29 +0200 > > "Ioannis Aslanidis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > The real point is that bug-wranglers has lost over 50% of it's > >> > effectiveness, again imo. jakub and spanky are the two main guys, > >> > and it's not just the loss of jakub's prodigious work-rate, which > >> > kept a lot bugs from even reaching devs, but the loss of his > >> > influence on QA which is a complete disaster for gentoo. > >> > >> Add +1 to that. > > <snip examples of bad behaviour> > > ...does anyone want another few pages of that kind of thing? Devrel has > > for once gotten something more or less right. Perhaps people should be > > thanking them instead. > > > You're ignoring the point made about the amount of bugs Jakub kept away from > devs, and the loss of his influence on QA. Quoting examples of his bad > bahaviour doesn't change the fact that it is unacceptable for devrel to > discuss his case without involving him. Devrel have warned him numerous times to behave properly and stop attacking other devs and users. How is that not involving him? > > Please note this is not the same as discussing a complaint with the > complainant, prior to discussing a dev's behaviour as a team. And no, I > don't want pages more; I agree Jakub can be difficult. But at least he is > difficult in the cause of achieving something real and positive for gentoo. He's also difficult in marking several valid bugs INVALID, refusing to reopen them and refusing to assign them to the maintainers in several cases.
Besides I'd like to remind everybody that spending a lot of time on Gentoo, getting lots of things done, having a tough job etc. doesn't in any way justify bad behaviour. If you're having a tough time and starting to react badly it's time to ask ombudsman, proctors or maybe even devrel to help solve the problem or maybe even take a vacation from Gentoo. Failing to do so is quite often just going to make things worse and ultimately result in suspensions or even forced retirement. > > And from the comments of others, *he gets the result*. Sure, he gets things done. And it would be much better if he worked together with other devs in a friendly way and stopped getting in the way of maintainers as he has done on many occasions. > > It's not just me that thinks there haven't been any major b0rkages for > nearly a year. Could it be that maybe, just maybe, the development process > has actually worked /better/ since you were forcibly retired? That's completely unrelated to the current discussion and there's absolutely no need for such attacks. Regards, Bryan Østergaard -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
