Hi all, here's the complete log from the Council Meeting + a short summary.
Summary: All council members was present (Andrew Gaffney (agaffney) proxied for Chris Gianello (wolf31o2)). Agenda was: 1. Reply-to-list 2. SPF 3. QA update / plans 4. Bugzilla status 1. Council decided that there were no need to change mailinglist behaviour regarding reply-to-list. Bryan Østergaard (kloeri) mentioned that a replytolist plugin for thunderbird-2 had just been committed the day before. Bryan will update the handbook to include information on procmail recipes to change reply-to behaviour on an individual basis. Bug 154595 tracks progress of this update. 2. Council decided that Infra needs to document use of third party smtp servers and usage of dev.gentoo.org SMTP server. Bug 154594 tracks this issue. 3. Bryan Østergaard gave a short update on QA team on behalf of Stephen Bennett (spb). Plans currently include: - Documenting EAPI-0 and PMS (Package Manager Standard) - Doing more automated QA checks. - Implementing GLEP 48 (see http://glep.gentoo.org/glep-0048.html) - Working out what each QA team member wants to work on. 4. Robin Johnson (robbat2) gave a quick status update on bugzilla. The load-balanced mysql is working very well now but there's still some webserver tuning that needs to be done. There's no timeframe as such as there might still be unexpected issues cropping up. Open floor discussion: Torsten Veller asked if there was any news on portage tree signing. Robin Johnson said there was no news as he'd spend all his time working on new bugzilla setup and anonymous cvs. Regards, Bryan Østergaard
21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, we starting this shindig? 21:01 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+m] by kingtaco|laptop 21:01 <@Kugelfang> sure 21:01 <@Flameeyes> ready to rumble 21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, whos the logger this month? 21:01 <@kloeri> me? 21:01 <@Kugelfang> i propose kloeri 21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> done 21:01 <@robbat2> ok 21:01 <@kingtaco|laptop> who's here 21:01 * Kugelfang 21:01 * robbat2 robbat2 21:02 * agaffney raises his hand with his wolf31o2 mask on 21:02 * kingtaco|laptop kingtaco 21:02 * Flameeyes is here and is logging as usual 21:02 <@Kugelfang> vapier: stop hiding 21:02 * kingtaco|laptop pokes spanky with a stick 21:02 <@kloeri> heh 21:02 <@SpanKY> reading books 21:02 <@agaffney> he was just here :P 21:02 * agaffney throw his copy of Dune at SpanKY 21:02 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:02 <@kingtaco|laptop> topics for today 21:03 <@Kugelfang> so, let's discuss Reply-To and SPF first please 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 1. spf 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 2. reply-to 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 3. QA 21:03 <@Kugelfang> i'd like to have reply-to first 21:03 <@Kugelfang> if nobody objects 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> 4. bugs 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> anytthing else? 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, sure 21:03 <@Flameeyes> Kugelfang, start then 21:03 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight 21:04 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, go for it 21:04 <@Kugelfang> ok, Reply-TO: 21:04 <@Kugelfang> some people want to switch -core ML to add a reply-to filed to the mail header 21:04 <@Kugelfang> others just want to make all mailing lists show the same behaviour 21:04 <@Kugelfang> i say: get a new mail client or use the procmail recipes that wolf posted to gentoo-dev ML 21:04 <@kingtaco|laptop> my position is that it's been posted for both procmail and maildrop the way for a person to configure it to either preference 21:05 <@Kugelfang> exactly 21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> I don't see any reason to change 21:05 <@Kugelfang> this is why i want to immediately vote on this 21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone else? 21:05 <@kloeri> I just committed a reply-to-list plugin for thunderbird-2 yesterday 21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> and there you go 21:05 <@Kugelfang> excellent 21:05 <@kingtaco|laptop> yet another way 21:05 <@agaffney> it would be nice for all the lists to behave the same, but the behavior can be changed with procmail 21:05 <@Flameeyes> for me it's fine as it is, if the mail clients aren't good enough, just improve them 21:05 <@Kugelfang> vote: DonÄ't change reply-to for gentoo-core or any other mailing list 21:05 <@agaffney> so it's really a non-issue 21:05 <@kloeri> so we're not touching thunderbird itself but still fixing the client :) 21:05 * Kugelfang votes yes 21:06 * kingtaco|laptop yes 21:06 * kloeri votes yes 21:06 * robbat2 yes 21:06 * Flameeyes yes 21:06 * agaffney yes 21:06 <@SpanKY> umm clarify "dont change" 21:06 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: you'r elagging 21:06 <@Flameeyes> SpanKY? 21:06 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, no change 21:06 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: don't change from what it's currently doing 21:06 <@SpanKY> "dont change existing behavior for any lists" 21:06 <@kloeri> no header munging 21:06 -!- Falco [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/falco] has joined #gentoo-council 21:06 <@kingtaco|laptop> yea 21:06 <@Kugelfang> precisely 21:06 <@SpanKY> we're doing header munging now 21:06 <@SpanKY> for all non-core lists 21:06 <@kloeri> not on -core 21:07 <@kloeri> yes 21:07 <@Kugelfang> correct... 21:07 <@Kugelfang> i think this is a non-issue 21:07 <@SpanKY> so "dont change" could mean "dont set Reply-To on non-core lists" 21:07 <@Kugelfang> no 21:07 <@SpanKY> if you're going with "dont change existing behavior" then whatever, that's fine 21:07 <@Flameeyes> don't change the behaviour from the current one 21:07 <@kingtaco|laptop> on any list 21:07 <@agaffney> SpanKY: "don't change" means "leave everything alone" 21:07 <@Flameeyes> I'd suggest also to update the documentation on the dev handbook 21:07 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:08 <@Flameeyes> so that new devs can see the way to change -core behaviour through procmail 21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> so we're not changing behavior 21:08 <@Kugelfang> i'm sorry that my vote request was not precise 21:08 <@SpanKY> seems lame that everything acts the same but one list, but ive personally never had a problem and i dont use rules 21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, devrel handles that? 21:08 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: sure 21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> I would like one thing though, someone write up a doc explaining how to change it to your preference 21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, can you make it so? :) 21:08 <@Kugelfang> ok, next try. 21:08 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, that's what I said :P 21:08 -!- NeddySeagoon [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/NeddySeagoon] has joined #gentoo-council 21:08 <@kloeri> I think I just volunteered.. 21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> Flameeyes, ah, I missed that 21:08 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, next issue 21:08 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, perfect 21:09 <@Flameeyes> spf then 21:09 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, spf? 21:09 <@Kugelfang> Don't change the current behaviour of reply-to munging for all gentoo mailing lists, including gentoo-core 21:09 <@Kugelfang> did we agree on that? 21:09 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: yes 21:09 <@Flameeyes> Kugelfang, yes 21:09 <@agaffney> I believe so 21:09 <@Kugelfang> good 21:09 <@kingtaco|laptop> yes 21:09 <@Kugelfang> SPF: 21:09 <@Kugelfang> for the first, i'd like to voice kurt, if he's available 21:09 <@robbat2> err, I didn't see a final vote from spanky 21:10 <@Kugelfang> @SpanKY> if you're going with "dont change existing behavior" then whatever, that's fine 21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, "thats fine" 21:10 <@robbat2> ok 21:10 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, he said he's fine, although he's hardly needed to confirm his own vote at this point :P 21:10 <@Kugelfang> hm, kurt's not here 21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I've invited 21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> lets see if he's here 21:10 <@kingtaco|laptop> wanna make it last? 21:10 <@Kugelfang> hmm 21:10 <@Flameeyes> fine by me 21:10 <@agaffney> he's active 21:11 -!- klieber [EMAIL PROTECTED]/facilities-host/gentoo/klieber] has joined #gentoo-council 21:11 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:11 <@SpanKY> do we need him to state anything else 21:11 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v klieber] by kingtaco|laptop 21:11 <@SpanKY> he's already posted enough info 21:11 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v kingtaco|laptop] by Kugelfang 21:11 <@Kugelfang> ups 21:11 -!- dostrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/dostrow] has joined #gentoo-council 21:11 <@SpanKY> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/infrastructure/spf.xml 21:11 <@Kugelfang> SpanKY: i got a question 21:11 -!- welp [EMAIL PROTECTED]/contributor/welp] has joined #gentoo-council 21:11 <@Kugelfang> klieber: hi, thanks for joining 21:11 <+klieber> 'lo 21:11 <@Kugelfang> klieber: i got one question regarding to our current setup 21:11 <@agaffney> klieber: did you state how you got the mail sent from your gmail with your @gentoo.org in From: to give *negative* score in SA? 21:12 <+klieber> agaffney: because it was sent via a valid MX for that domain. 21:12 <+klieber> via the return-path 21:12 <@robbat2> valid MX for the domain in the return path 21:12 <@Kugelfang> klieber: why do we use the TXT record still, though there has been an SPF record added to DNS? 21:12 <+klieber> Kugelfang: the SPF record is a TXT record 21:12 <@Kugelfang> klieber: not according to the RFC 21:12 <+klieber> that's what you put in DNS -- a TXT record (vs. A or MX) 21:13 <@Kugelfang> klieber: it says for servers that don'T support it, you can use TXT 21:13 <@Kugelfang> klieber: for other, you should use SPF 21:13 <+klieber> 1 sec 21:13 <@Kugelfang> sure 21:13 <+klieber> I'm at work now 21:13 <@SpanKY> is that really relevant to the issue at hand ? 21:13 <@kingtaco|laptop> I don't think so 21:13 <@agaffney> no 21:14 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I think the debate is to use ?all *all or not publish spf 21:14 <+wolf31o2> ok guys... I'm out 21:14 <@Kugelfang> *shrug*, i just wanted to be covers for any decission that could come up 21:14 -!- wolf31o2 [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/wolf31o2] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:14 -!- wolf31o2|work [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/wolf31o2] has joined #gentoo-council 21:14 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+o wolf31o2|work] by ChanServ 21:14 <+klieber> http://www.openspf.org/dns.html <-- that says use txt. 21:14 <+klieber> so if there is an SPF record, it's news to me 21:14 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, how does the dns type matter though? 21:14 <@agaffney> klieber: in my current setup (at home and at work), I have my @g.o address set as an identity and send out through the local mail server. how would I set this up to get a negative score in SA? 21:15 <@Kugelfang> kingtaco|laptop: well, i can discuss it with klieber later on 21:15 <@agaffney> I bet most people's setups are closet to mine than your gmail example 21:15 <@agaffney> *closer 21:15 <@Kugelfang> kingtaco|laptop: it was one of the points that critics bring up in regard to SPF 21:15 <+klieber> guys, i have a meeting -- I have to go. sorry. 21:15 <+klieber> agaffney: don't forge return-path, you won't piss off SPF. thats the bottom line. 21:15 <@SpanKY> thx klieber 21:15 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I don't see how it applies though 21:15 * klieber vanishes 21:15 <@kingtaco|laptop> thanks klieber 21:15 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, is the mail server authenticated or open? 21:16 <@SpanKY> brb, FYI i vote in favor of keeping SPF as is 21:16 <@agaffney> it only relays to internal IPs 21:16 <@Flameeyes> authenticated mail servers usually just rewrite the Return-Path with the actual user used 21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> guys, can we agree that someone(infra?) will document how to use a 3rd party email server with spf? 21:16 <@Flameeyes> [gmail for instance] 21:16 <@agaffney> kingtaco|laptop: that would certainly be one solution 21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> so we don't end up spending an hour figuring it out :) 21:16 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, that would be useful, yes 21:16 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone oppose? 21:17 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, and also update the documentation about the use of the gentoo ssmtp server 21:17 <@agaffney> with examples for all major MTAs (postfix, exim, qmail, etc.) 21:17 <@kloeri> documentation on using third party and gentoo ssmtp server would solve it imo 21:17 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, same for me 21:17 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, vote: infra updates smtp docs and adds docs about howto use spf. spf stays the same, and if it's needed we're revisit 21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> *we'll 21:18 <@Flameeyes> s/we're/we'll/ i suppose? 21:18 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: wfm 21:18 -!- kingtaco|laptop changed the topic of #gentoo-council to: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council | Last log : http://www.gentoeso.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20060914.txt | meeting @ Nov 9th 2000UTC 21:18 <@Flameeyes> yes for me too 21:18 * kingtaco|laptop yes 21:18 <@agaffney> yes, but it needs to be in a timely fashion 21:18 <@Kugelfang> klieber: see RFC4408, Section 3.1.1 21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, a month 21:18 <@agaffney> kingtaco|laptop: WFM 21:18 <@kingtaco|laptop> next council meeting 21:18 <@robbat2> works for me 21:18 * Kugelfang votes yes 21:19 <@agaffney> proper docs by the next meeting or SPF goes? 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY? 21:19 <@agaffney> or atleast it gets "revisited" :P 21:19 <@kloeri> proper docs 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, not really, it'll be reviewed 21:19 <@SpanKY> [15:16] <SpanKY> brb, FYI i vote in favor of keeping SPF as is 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> heh 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:19 <@kingtaco|laptop> next topic then 21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, wanna update us on bugs? 21:20 <@robbat2> kingtaco|laptop, go play with bugstest.g.o folks 21:20 <@robbat2> it's up 21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> robbat2, in "final" configuration? 21:20 <@robbat2> i'm happy with the db stuff, but I think the web needs more tuning 21:20 <@Kugelfang> yay 21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:20 <@kingtaco|laptop> any questions? 21:20 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, do you have a timeframe? 21:21 <@agaffney> what are some queries that would typically bring down the existing setup? 21:21 <@Kugelfang> robbat2: is jforman going to administrate it any further? 21:21 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [+v spb] by kingtaco|laptop 21:21 <@Kugelfang> robbat2: just informational :-) 21:21 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, I'd think so 21:21 <@kloeri> agaffney: "all kernel" 21:21 <@robbat2> agaffney, 'ALL kernel' and 'ALL gentoo' 21:21 <@kingtaco|laptop> all e 21:21 <@Flameeyes> "ALL R" 21:21 <@robbat2> Flameeyes, I don't have a timeframe 21:21 <@kloeri> agaffney: queries returning insane amounts of results generally 21:21 <@Kugelfang> querying ALL kernel 21:21 <@Kugelfang> right now 21:22 * Flameeyes querying ALL R 21:22 <@kingtaco|laptop> Flameeyes, depends on how well the test goes 21:22 <@robbat2> ALL kernel is 36k results 21:22 <@kingtaco|laptop> no bugs? we'll consider moving after a couple weeks of testing 21:22 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, supposed so, but a question had to be done 21:22 <@kloeri> ALL R is some 146k results iirc 21:22 <@SpanKY> so who do i have to talk to in order to get bug regressions actually fixed 21:22 <@SpanKY> filing bugs in bugzilla doesnt work 21:22 <@Flameeyes> so a parallel ALL R and All amarok had the second return bugs with a decent timing 21:22 <@Kugelfang> ALL Kernel still hasn't finished :-P 21:23 <@SpanKY> i have no problem doing the work myself 21:23 <@robbat2> SpanKY, email me if you have a regression on bugstest 21:23 <@agaffney> I'm still waiting for a return on "ALL kernel" after 2-3 minutes 21:23 <@Flameeyes> uhm 21:23 <@Kugelfang> ah, mine just returend 21:23 <@Flameeyes> the results for ALL amarok are mixed with bugs that has nothing to do with amarok 21:23 <@SpanKY> robbat2: i'm talking user experience, not db load 21:23 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, it'll take ~5 minutes to start returning results 21:23 <@SpanKY> robbat2: things like default search values, css fixups, etc... 21:23 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: sure amarok isn't in a comment? 21:24 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, not sure, will check now 21:24 <@Flameeyes> yeah it's in comments 21:24 <@kloeri> ALL searches subject + comments 21:24 <@Flameeyes> is this a new thing? 21:24 <@robbat2> jforman has said he doesn't have much time at all, so I'm doing my best with all issues for bugstest at the moment 21:24 <@agaffney> ok, firefox is gobbling up memory like a mofo 21:24 <@kloeri> nope 21:24 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, used to check just subject 21:24 <@agaffney> so it must be trying to dispaly the results 21:24 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: use konqueror :-P 21:24 <@kloeri> agaffney: yeah, I pretty much killed my laptop yesterday with "ALL R" :) 21:25 <@kingtaco|laptop> agaffney, oh yeah, it's some GB of html :) 21:25 <@agaffney> there we go 21:25 <@agaffney> 36k for ALL kernel 21:25 <@SpanKY> robbat2: i know jforman doesnt have time, but when i've asked to help, i havent gotten any response 21:25 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: the correct query is 'ALL dev-lang/R' 21:25 <@Flameeyes> kloeri, bugs.gentoo.org shows only for subjet, not comments 21:25 <@Flameeyes> [which is good 21:25 <@Flameeyes> because it asctually gives _decent_ results 21:25 <@Flameeyes> in comments we have useflags that will make such a search request pointless 21:25 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: no, I wanted ALL R because we we're trying to push bugstest as much as possible 21:25 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, so we're all good on bugs? 21:25 -!- dostrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/dostrow] has quit [Client Quit] 21:25 <@robbat2> ok, so I should change the 'ALL' search to only search summaries 21:25 <@Flameeyes> ALL R returning data now 21:25 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: :-P 21:26 <@Flameeyes> robbat2, would be appreciated, yes 21:26 <@agaffney> robbat2: what's different about the bugstest setup? 21:26 <@robbat2> agaffney, dual database backend, and I've gotten the searching stuff totally parallized between the two databases 21:26 <@robbat2> one sec, i'll give you a cheesy diagram 21:27 <@Kugelfang> hmm, cheese 21:27 <@robbat2> Slave1 <--- (DB1 <--> DB2) --> Slave2 21:27 <@kingtaco|laptop> can we move this to the open discussion? 21:27 <@robbat2> sure 21:27 <@kingtaco|laptop> kk 21:27 <@agaffney> did we forget about QA? 21:28 <@Kugelfang> no 21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> that's next 21:28 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: that's comming now 21:28 <@SpanKY> i thought the last two items were pretty much open discussion 21:28 <@Kugelfang> spb: ping? 21:28 <@agaffney> ah 21:28 <@Flameeyes> qa issues, kloeri want to talk? 21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> spb, consider yourself poked 21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, pretty much 21:28 <@kloeri> yup, I'll give a quick update on QA and hopefully spb will be around to answer questions 21:28 <@kingtaco|laptop> SpanKY, I'll -m in a minute 21:29 <@agaffney> robbat2: can I pick your brain about that setup in a little while? 21:29 <@robbat2> agaffney, yeah 21:29 <@robbat2> find me in -infra about it 21:29 <@kloeri> as soon as spb manage to free up some time he wants to start work on EAPI-0 and package manager specification documents 21:29 <@kloeri> that's the big stuff more or less 21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> when will he "have time"? 21:30 <@Kugelfang> i guess that means real life issues? 21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> having guidelines will help avoid a lot of the fighting that goes one 21:30 <@kingtaco|laptop> *on 21:30 <@kloeri> smaller items includes working on implementing GLEP 48, doing more automated QA scans and going through all the QA team members and seeing who wants to do what etc. 21:31 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: he's busy with finishing university currently 21:31 <@Kugelfang> ah, i see 21:31 <@agaffney> school is overrated 21:31 <@Kugelfang> that surely has priorit y:-) 21:31 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: pfff 21:31 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok, so I guess we will need to revisit again next month? 21:31 <@Kugelfang> probably 21:31 <@kloeri> as for when he'll have time I can't answer that 21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, any other info? 21:32 <@Kugelfang> is there anything to vote one? or can i get back to the birthday party upstairs? :-P 21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> just open discussion now I think 21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> anyone have any other issues? 21:32 <@Kugelfang> coolies.... 21:32 <@kingtaco|laptop> before open floor? 21:32 <@Kugelfang> i certainly don't 21:32 * agaffney has an issue with the fact he wasn't invited to the birthday parts upstairs 21:32 <@agaffney> *party 21:32 <@Kugelfang> that was a quick thing 21:32 <@kloeri> I asked him who's going to work on EAPI-0 and PMS and he said QA would be in charge but that interested parties were free to submit docs, patches etc. 21:32 <@Kugelfang> agaffney: :-P 21:33 <@agaffney> Kugelfang: save me cake! 21:33 <@Kugelfang> ah, right, the location of preliminary EAPI-0: 21:33 <@Flameeyes> err sorry had problems with the ALL r results 21:33 <@kloeri> some paludis people are very interested and portage team and ferringb have expressed interest in helping as well 21:33 <@Kugelfang> svn.pioto.org 21:33 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight 21:33 <@kloeri> Kugelfang: that's something we need to figure out later I think 21:33 <@Kugelfang> svn:// works, so people can do nice patches, too :-) 21:34 -!- dostrow [EMAIL PROTECTED]/developer/dostrow] has joined #gentoo-council 21:34 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: as it is svn, it can easily be migrated later on 21:34 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [-m] by kingtaco|laptop 21:34 <@kloeri> there's some !gentoo devs that could be quite valuable helping with the EAPI / PSM documentation but that raises the whole debate about things not being on gentoo infra again 21:34 <@kingtaco|laptop> aight, open floor 21:34 <@Kugelfang> http://svn.pioto.org/viewvc/paludis/scratch/eapispec/ 21:34 <@kloeri> maybe we could use overlays.g.o for that 21:34 -!- musikc [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #gentoo-council 21:34 -!- mode/#gentoo-council [-o agaffney] by agaffney 21:34 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, I think we addressed that, for it to be "official" it has to be on gentoo hardware 21:35 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: indeed 21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: or we can use this until it has at least a 'draft' status, no? 21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: besides, this is very open 21:35 <@kingtaco|laptop> devmanual set prescedence 21:35 <@Kugelfang> kloeri: pioto has his thumb on the repo 21:35 <@kloeri> overlays.g.o could probably be a middle ground as it's official gentoo infra and "outsiders" can get access as well 21:35 -!- _masterdriverz_ [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #gentoo-council 21:36 <@kloeri> anyway, I don't believe documentation is very far at all atm so it's probably something we need to get back to later when something materializes 21:36 -!- ferringb [EMAIL PROTECTED] has joined #gentoo-council 21:37 <@Kugelfang> so we can open the floor now? 21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> I did 21:37 <@Kugelfang> ah, up there 21:37 <@Kugelfang> *nod* 21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> people, speak now or wait another month! 21:37 < ferringb> boobies! 21:37 <@Kugelfang> ... 21:37 <@kingtaco|laptop> heh 21:37 < ferringb> :) 21:37 <@Flameeyes> if wolf31o2 was here I would ask about the icons but .. next month :P 21:38 <@robbat2> anybody in the audience have questions etc? 21:39 <@robbat2> or can we all pack up and go home? 21:39 < tove> robbat2: the tree signing? 21:39 <@robbat2> tove: I haven't touched for the last few weeks while working on anoncvs and bugstest, sorry 21:40 < nightmorph|amd64> (from the floor) so, if i understand it correctly, the posted workarounds for the reply-to cruft will be added to the devmanual? 21:40 <@Flameeyes> the colour of the soft icecream machine? 21:41 <@Flameeyes> nightmorph|amd64, I'd rather say dev handbook than devmanual, as it's not a "technical" view 21:41 <@kingtaco|laptop> nightmorph|amd64, it will be documented 21:41 < nightmorph|amd64> ah yes, i meant the handbook 21:41 < ferringb> sidenote related to eapi=0... 21:41 < nightmorph|amd64> fantabulous! i knew i voted for the council for this reason :) 21:41 < ferringb> bug 152127 21:41 <@kloeri> yes, I stupidly volunteered to document that :) 21:41 <@kingtaco|laptop> kloeri, someone else already did the work, you just gotta xml it and commit 21:42 <+agaffney> Flameeyes: what icons? 21:42 <@kloeri> kingtaco|laptop: yeah, I'm not entirely crazy after all :) 21:43 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, on the site 21:43 <@Flameeyes> agaffney, we have some icons that are not exactly legal (modified versions of windows's software, lgpl-licensed icons not respecting it ... 21:44 <+agaffney> ah 21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> I think neysx is trying to fix the icons 21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> he posted a bug for a change to the xmlcheck script on cvs 21:44 <@kingtaco|laptop> Kugelfang, maybe you can do that 21:45 <@Kugelfang> i have no clue about cvs 21:45 <@Kugelfang> i'm an svn man 21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> ok 21:45 <@Kugelfang> and i think pylon already did it 21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> well someone will do it 21:45 <@kingtaco|laptop> and I bet neysx will clean it up 21:45 <@Kugelfang> 19:36 <+CIA-1> pylon * CVSROOT/checkxml.pl: Added ico to the allowed filetypes; bug #154544. 21:45 <@Kugelfang> 19:36 < jeeves> CIA-1: https://bugs.gentoo.org/154544 nor, P2, All, [EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED], NEW, pending, Please add *.ico to the list of allowed file types 21:45 <@Flameeyes> kingtaco|laptop, the quick fix is to remove them for now, but the issue is still open since last year 21:46 * Kugelfang goes to the party now 21:46 <@Kugelfang> see you guys 21:46 <@Flameeyes> night danny 21:46 <@kingtaco|laptop> see ya danny 21:46 <@Flameeyes> closing here then, who's going to put log and summary? 21:46 <@kloeri> later Kugelfang 21:46 <@kloeri> Flameeyes: me
