On 9/14/24 6:23 AM, Andreas Sturmlechner wrote: > 1) overall small impact on binary size, no runtime implications for X users > 2) desktop profile definition is "minimal" USE flags, not necessarily "legacy" > 3) plenty of "minimal" gui-wm/* exist, so X WMs can't claim that space > 4) KWin is not just used with Plasma, but also as LXQt default, and both > Plasma as well as Gnome have plenty of desktop profile users for some reason > (mostly no-multilib of course ...)
I suppose it is technically "minimal" to have either one or the other but not both... Which one deserves to be the "minimal default"? That is a harder question to answer. But at least selectively there's a reason to have various packages such as toolkits default to X support for ABI reasons (this argument can of course be made for wayland too) and there's a surprising amount of software out there that is X11-specific from the days when it was less common to use generic toolkits such as Gtk / Qt, which I guess leads us to: xwayland. Anyway, I'll just add -wayland to make.conf to stem the flood, I suppose. My DE is hardly "minimal" but it is certainly X-only. Perhaps what we really need is an easier way to handle custom user profiles via mixins, so that e.g. people who use lxqt don't have to beg for a dedicated official profile. > 5) deduplication++ At least this could be handled by making a profiles/targets/desktop/wayland and having both plasma and gnome parent themselves to that? It's not really much of an argument, even if it is only added on to 4 other arguments, to talk about deduplication as a reason to modify end-user experiences. The arguments for end-user experiences should relate to solving end-user problems, which is what points 1-4 argue based on. Internal implementation details should remain internal implementation details, and it seems we do (happily) have the technology to make them stay that way. -- Eli Schwartz
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