-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kurt Lieber wrote: > On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:57:06PM -0800 or thereabouts, Greg KH wrote: > >>>Which is why Gentoo has jumped the shark and is now on a long, slow >>>decline. >> >>Ok, then what should Gentoo do to fix this percieved decline? > > > Exactly what a lot of folks will have kittens about; appoint a CEO, leader, > boss, manager, etc. (you know, all those corporate-type words that raise > the hackles of nearly everyone on this list.) > > Right now, Gentoo is this gigantic, obese amoeba that just sort of sits in > one place. Different parts of it try to go in different directions, with > the net result being that the whole body never goes anywhere. We haven't > done anything interesting or innovative over the last...year? two years? > We have no effective leadership whatsoever. We spend far too much time > arguing amongst ourselves instead of working as a team towards a common > goal.
I think some people have attempted things that are interesting or innovative, although they may not have gotten off of the ground quite yet. I think for instance, that Stuart's webapp-config project is a good idea, and while I also think his first attempt sucked, that perhaps in the future it could be a great tool, especially for large virtual host places. I think it sucks that he has gotten the flack from it here. The Gentoo Installer is an interesting project, not only for the graphical frontend, but for the Distro-sponsored Network installer that is being worked on. I think many distributions lack tools in this area and we can be interesting and helpful here. The Portage project has some cool stuff coming up. I realize that the 2.X codebase scares a lot of people away due to it's nature but recently there has been a lot more active development in features and planning. Plus there is code in the savior branch to do some "interesting" things :) > <snip> > adhere to the decisions and, if they don't, invite them to find other > opportunities for their creative outlet. This sounds to me like "if they don't like it then send them on their merry way" which is kind of a bad attitude IMHO. If they are working on something it usually is because they are interested. You can't really say "well your interest is useless so work on something else instead" and expect them to comply. If they are either going to work on something they enjoy and contribute to Gentoo or do nothing at all...well I'll take the former :) > > That person should figure out what Gentoo wants to be when it grows up. > S/he should carefully consult the various stakeholders, look at the > strengths/weaknesses of Gentoo as it stands currently and then figure out > where the best direction is for it to proceed. They should then be > responsible for making sure everyone (and I mean *everyone*) executes > according to this direction. Folks who disagree with the vision will be > able to go their own direction and start their own projects. That's the > beauty of the GPL. If this Gentoo project fails/falters (like you seem to think it is heading) you are free to do the same, form your own project with it's own set of rules and leader if you so choose. > > Anyway, I have no illusions of this idea ever being implemented in the > current Gentoo environment. /shrug. It was a good ride. > > --kurt I would agree overall that inter-project communication is lacking in many areas. I also think that people are uncompromising. Everyone is over-worked, everyone has no time, if you want thing X done, get cracking...etc... I don't think that is an especially healthy attitude to getting larger/cooler things accomplished. If there is an entity that can help "persuade" projects to listen to one another that would be great, but in the end what can you really do? Partially I ( as currently still a user at this point ) would like to see a bit more project management. I see that webapps posted a monthly meeting reminder to -dev, but how many projects really have meetings that often? Do they accomplish anything? Should we have someone that tries to attend most meetings to make sure things are going smoothly, or going at all? Do we need to have slacking projects that get killed off by the council as well as "slacker" council members? More things to consider ;) Alec Warner (antarus) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQ7yw+WzglR5RwbyYAQK4og/+PYsiv3BsbcUZhfF1UG5RLj/OtJckNO/D B/FT4lvux06EcoyOtKlZUQTb6b95cP7UTHWT1x+HHTamwljNo1GVDFB7OXvYInLK npcL+cEe23+792sNCm4ldpN3+rhosVW2fqIBD6lHBNJ9cXhf7B+ftz+lHXV78gWB GXMSLkqtaZ3/lxLYhPHPeC6RwFtYDxTF6SnlRlsGQsr0KMb//EzIuaO5CDVcmTR9 amkajrrsBIqhTNz6xWXAF8AHNQhxQLiuRsqSqc8MV7X7/VSPFEdX8LNHYXCCdnIc YdoRNQQaohOdb2XEXOXynqOWh4VeqqfIJyjS0Edy9yqes80Isq52hudKPdwVtRrG 53zV1/jb+yXO0UMHGNGDxXshNSESvYBPOnK5jt9tekStENXjSNGQ86mqSm0SgHnl d3uOIA+bQg936+GtDeh0yCf7efTtINpREmvWpz6+E6FYZ+1AGPRGgU8xPoRi2oea 9ro/LDaUBKngjIjJQNcgnvhsp+RqDbj3fE6eK22RJB1A3o1QBkO0pV8X/ltortqs OIK0TP+7Jy4tV4vJCxr2GGZGAGiH+iNo3lgOyaWyhtWiIby4wznESqosZtOHGMvV DOBuV6huGUTFYZOqITorFNdIy2x+8iqVnlsWZRYYxuQu3YYqsDxTZa0fvjTsu76x An1cLi2Maw0= =1dhN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
