Hello,

this is Paolo Bizzarri. I am part of the Apache Kie project.

I am looking for clarifications about the official policy of Apache
foundation about code changes and vetoes.

As per this document in the Apache web site, a -1 to a proposal for a code
change is a veto - i.e. it "kills the proposals"

https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html#:~:text=Votes%20On%20Code%20Modification,approve%20of%20this%20change.%27

However we got two proposals that are getting pushed through even in
presence of -1

https://lists.apache.org/thread/drojdtvz6xx1zo35ggjm75xdngnfcl21

and

https://lists.apache.org/thread/c09l9xq0d8jz7th6k23gf5svoky06955

I got an answer from Alex Porcelly stating that "-1 are not vetos on
proposals" which seems wrong to me. These are code changes and so the rules
for vetoes should apply.

Otherwise I could make a proposal like "put all passwords in plain text in
the code" and then pretend that the PR cannot be vetoed because the
corresponding proposal has already been approved, so there is consensus.

https://lists.apache.org/thread/r37j54k3fyg5h18d4xdlb43ff9wcq96b

Can you clarify and provide an answer that I can forward to the kie mailing
list?

I understand that some projects have defined less restricting veto
policies, but I understand also that this is a matter of internal rules -
i.e. a way for the community of a project to decide how to work. My
understanding is that in the absence of such a decision, the Apache default
rules apply.

Regards

Paolo Bizzarri

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