Yes, I saw that and it's unfortunate. But I still don't think that the IPMC
should make this release, acting on behalf of the foundation, given the
state of this license documentation.

On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 1:26 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote:

> Unfortunately, the XTable team went ahead and released the jars
> without having an IPMC vote. I think it is nigh on impossible to get
> jars removed from Maven Central once they are released.
>
> On Wed, 11 Sept 2024 at 21:20, rdb...@gmail.com <rdb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I thought that the purpose of the disclaimer was (at least partially) to
> > flag that the licensing may not be completely correct, but I haven't seen
> > it interpreted as a way to release code before beginning licensing work.
> > Maybe that's okay for a source release where the vast majority of the
> code
> > was developed by the project, but here it doesn't seem right to me to
> > release a bundled Jar with 600+ MB of dependencies and no licensing
> > documentation.
> >
> > I think the right path forward is to remove the bundled Jar from the
> > release. After all, it's a convenience binary.
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 1:11 PM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > > XTable is still at the DISCLAIMER-WIP stage and the DISCLAIMER-WIP
> > > mentions that they haven't finished work on the licensing.
> > > Maybe this could be logged as an issue at
> > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-xtable and fixed for the next
> > > release?
> > >
> > > On Wed, 11 Sept 2024 at 21:06, rdb...@gmail.com <rdb...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > -1 (binding)
> > > >
> > > > I did a quick build and saw that the xtable-utilities Jar
> > > > <
> > >
> https://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/apache/xtable/xtable-utilities/0.1.0-incubating/xtable-utilities-0.1.0-incubating-bundled.jar
> > > >
> > > > has dependencies bundled in, but doesn't have a LICENSE or NOTICE
> that
> > > > reflects those dependencies. Both look like the boilerplate ones
> from the
> > > > source repo (which may also not be correct).
> > > >
> > > > In order to ship third-party code in bundled Jars, projects need to
> > > follow the
> > > > third-party license policy
> > > > <
> https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html#asf-3rd-party-license-policy
> > > >.
> > > > There is quite a bit of work that goes into correctly documenting the
> > > > licenses of ASF releases, so I'd recommend that the podling get a
> release
> > > > or two done without a bundled Jar. That typically makes it easier.
> > > >
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 11:05 AM Jesus Camacho Rodriguez <
> > > > jcama...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1 jcamacho (IPMC/PPMC), carried over from XTable dev mailing list
> [1]
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Jesús
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/klqwmx814bph19fn2ypwsbgorzb776h1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 12:59 AM PJ Fanning <fannin...@apache.org>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > +1 binding fanningpj (IPMC)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * file downloads
> > > > > > * sha512 and asc are ok
> > > > > > * incubating and apache in name
> > > > > > * LICENSE, NOTICE, DISCLAIMER-WIP present
> > > > > > * Apache license headers in source files
> > > > > > * no unexpected binaries
> > > > > > * compiles from source - tests take lots of CPU and I had to
> cancel
> > > > > > them but that might be just my machine
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, 11 Sept 2024 at 08:35, Stamatis Zampetakis <
> > > zabe...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1 zabetak (IPMC/PPMC) carried over from the dev list.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > Stamatis
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 7:16 AM Vinish Reddy <
> vin...@apache.org>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hey everyone,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apache XTable (incubating) has recently published its first
> > > > > incubating
> > > > > > > > release after a successful vote in the dev list. However, the
> > > podling
> > > > > > > > missed starting a vote in general@incubator. IPMC members
> > > > > recommended
> > > > > > > > removing the downloads page from the website [1] and
> starting a
> > > VOTE
> > > > > > thread
> > > > > > > > in general@incubator [2].
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We now kindly request the Incubator PMC members review and
> vote
> > > on
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > incubator release.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Apache XTable community vote thread:
> > > > > > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/gl8xs904dnz6bbnx7dn0rwd35zs0gr4b
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Vote result thread:
> > > > > > > >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/k2bcxbf23pmb43g46o5gzqf9bv1pkggz
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The release candidates:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/xtable/0.1.0-incubating-rc4/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/incubator/xtable/0.1.0-incubating/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Release notes:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-xtable/releases/tag/0.1.0-incubating
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Git tag for the release:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-xtable/releases/tag/0.1.0-incubating
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Git commit ID for the release:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-xtable/commit/9711bf1599eb2a69c0f094a45450f5638a189428
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Keys to verify the Release Candidate:
> > > > > > > > https://downloads.apache.org/incubator/xtable/KEYS
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > To compile from the source, please refer to:
> > > > > > > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-xtable/blob/main/README.md
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The vote will be open for at least 72 hours or until the
> > > necessary
> > > > > > number
> > > > > > > > of votes is reached. Please vote accordingly:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [ ] +1 approve
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [ ] +0 no opinion
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [ ] -1 disapprove with the reason
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1] https://xtable.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > [2]
> > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/q3o2qr64k2bwwyd1hd79y43q12vwgh85
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Vinish
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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