cc @Shane Here is a related thread we ever initialized.
I'm trying to find some time to pick it up, but yet to achieve it. Best, tison. tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 15:21写道： > Besides, the maturity model is applied for all ASF projects and under the > management of ComDev pmc. > > Shall we cc this thread to dev@community.a.o or start a new thread after > we have a consensus within the Incubator first? > > Best, > tison. > > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com>于2023年12月29日 周五12:58写道： > >> > This varies from project to project: >> > 1. Some projects have PMC members working at a company who use their >> trademark, and they make sure that things are correctly done. >> > 2. Some projects have people who actively look out for these types of >> issues and report them. >> > 3. Some projects are more active and set up automated Google searches >> and the like. >> > 4. Not all issues occur on web pages. Some of these issues arise at >> conferences or 3rd party events and are often noticed by PMC members or ASF >> members. >> >> Could you name projects of 3? "Some" is hard to follow, if there is a >> concrete podling/TLP does the thing correctly, we can reuse the >> workflow. >> >> > Yes, in most cases, the PMC should spend time addressing it. >> >> Could you name projects that do well in this direction? >> >> > how the project wishes to implement this is up to them. >> >> As mentors, we should help the podling to follow certain policies, >> either we can verify it by actionable check items or references. >> Otherwise it's totally subjective according to a member's >> interpretation it and it can increase the burden. >> >> Looking at the policy, it writes[1]: >> >> > COMPLY WITH APACHE BRAND POLICY >> > All PMCs must to comply with the Apache Project Branding Requirements. >> If your project does not comply, or is having issues in determining >> compliance, including a recognition of this set of PMC responsibilities to >> handle brand issues, work with trademarks@ to resolve the issue. >> > Much as complying with Apache legal policy to ensure that our software >> is safely covered under our license, projects must follow the branding >> requirements to ensure that we maintain our projects' brands and the Apache >> brand - and public reputations - for the future benefit of all of Apache >> projects. >> >> So how a PMC complies with the policy is that you should comply with >> the policy .. circular definition. >> >> Of course, there are other scattered docs having sentences on this >> topic, but since we are currently talking about this, we'd better >> foster a clear actionable guideline, or at lest feeling how a podling >> suffers when they are searching these sentences. >> >> We don't stop podling by requiring them comply with guidelines, we >> help them to follow. >> >> Best, >> tison. >> >> [1] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/responsibility#compliance >> >> tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:39写道： >> > >> > > TB50 Any existing previous domain names are in control of the PMC. >> > >> > This is hard to follow. If the domain names are under the donating >> > compay's top domain, said if there is a foo.google.com, shall the PMC >> > take control of Google? >> > >> > > TB60 Any existing trademarks have been or are in the process of being >> transferred to the ASF. >> > >> > Just in case the trademarks are donated to ASF in the proposal. Given >> > Ignite as an example, GridGain doesn't donate its "GridGain InMemory >> > Platform" trademark but choose a new trademark "Ignite". So "GridGain" >> > trademark is still held by GridGain Systems. >> > >> > I believe this process should be done with the signed SGAs so if SGAs >> > are signed properly, this guideline is followed. >> > >> > Best, >> > tison. >> > >> > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:33写道： >> > > >> > > >> It seems the updated podling report template has not had the >> impact it was hoped to have around issues of branding and trademarks. >> > > >> > > > For example, a doable mechanism is that, during each quarter's >> report, >> > > > the (P)PMC includes a section on what checks they did and if they >> > > > found any 3rdparty misuse. >> > > >> > > And this report to be included for TLPs also. Podlings are to be a >> > > TLP. Although we don't use TLP as an evidence for what to do >> > > incorrectly, if a TLP does the right thing, we should refer it as an >> > > example. Barely policy is hard to follow. >> > > >> > > The original podling report template asks "Is the PPMC managing the >> > > podling's brand / trademarks?" and a podling would answer YES because >> > > nothing is known to change the answer :D >> > > >> > > Best, >> > > tison. >> > > >> > > tison <wander4...@gmail.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 12:25写道： >> > > > >> > > > Thanks for starting this thread. As we actually evaluate the >> maturity >> > > > at how the podling complies with trademarks and branding, we'd >> better >> > > > provide certain guidelines for podlings to follow. >> > > > >> > > > I can understand TB10 TB20 TB30 after the recent discussions, but >> > > > perhaps it is still helpful if we extend the comments with more >> > > > examples as in the discussions - it makes what to do and what not to >> > > > do much more clear. >> > > > >> > > > > TB40 The project performs some monitoring of 3rd party use of its >> trademarks, addressing any instances of misuse. >> > > > >> > > > Do you have some examples of how podlings or TLPs perform this >> today? >> > > > It's unclear to me how I can understand and follow this guideline: >> > > > Shall the PMC check over the Internet? Is any 3rd party even with a >> > > > very low page rank should the PMC spend time to address it; or else >> > > > the PMC fail to meet this guideline? >> > > > >> > > > For example, a doable mechanism is that, during each quarter's >> report, >> > > > the (P)PMC includes a section on what checks they did and if they >> > > > found any 3rdparty misuse. >> > > > >> > > > Best, >> > > > tison. >> > > > >> > > > Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> 于2023年12月29日周五 10:54写道： >> > > > > >> > > > > Hi, >> > > > > >> > > > > It seems the updated podling report template has not had the >> impact it was hoped to have around issues of branding and trademarks. >> > > > > >> > > > > It was pointed out on the trademark list that the current >> maturity model [1] is missing checks for trademarks and branding. >> > > > > >> > > > > Here is my first attempt at it; feedback, thoughts, etc, are >> welcome. >> > > > > >> > > > > Trademarks and Branding >> > > > > TB10 The project correctly uses “Apache Foo” as the project name >> where required. >> > > > > TB20 The project complies with ASF’s branding and trademark >> policy in all places it controls.* >> > > > > TB30 The project resolves any potential trademark issue pointed >> out to it promptly. >> > > > > TB40 The project performs some monitoring of 3rd party use of its >> trademarks, addressing any instances of misuse. >> > > > > >> > > > > * Including its website, documentation, 3rd party download >> services or any other locations. >> > > > > >> > > > > With some changes and increased focus on security, we might want >> to review the existing points that mention security. >> > > > > >> > > > > Kind Regards, >> > > > > Justin >> > > > > >> > > > > 1. >> https://community.apache.org/apache-way/apache-project-maturity-model.html >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: >> general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > > >> >
