Thanks Willem for the coordination, and thanks Jerry and the Firestorm team for the open discussion!
+1 for the proposal. Good luck and hope our paths could cross in the future (smile). Best Regards, Yu On Thu, 19 May 2022 at 11:28, Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi， > > We just had a quick meeting to talk about the possibility of the joint > effort today. > > Jerry ,Yu and I expressed the pros and cons about merging the project > together, we also discussed the challenges (legal affairs, design and > codebase decision making) of merging these two projects together. As > there are a lot of things that need to be done before two teams can > work together, both sides agree to enter the ASF incubator first then > we can seek the possibility of joint efforts in the future. > > > Willem Jiang > > Twitter: willemjiang > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 6:40 PM Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks all for the considerate comments and thanks Jerry (and Firestorm > > team) for the open mind. > > > > I totally agree that working as one project/community is a good wish > > instead of a prerequisite (and I believe no one meant this actually), > and I > > don't have any intention to block the incubating process of Firestorm. > > > > I believe that even if we cannot make it a joint force, the two projects > > could be good frenemy with competitive friendship (smile). > > > > Let's discuss more offline. :-) > > > > Best Regards, > > Yu > > > > > > On Wed, 18 May 2022 at 17:41, Jerry Shao <js...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > Yes, I think we could discuss the possibilities offline. > > > > > > But I would like to clarify that "merging these projects together" is > > > neither a "problem" (a "wish" indeed), nor a prerequisite for > incubating. > > > In the heyday of Hadoop, there were so many similar or even same > purpose > > > projects in ASF, the choice is made by user, not by ASF. > > > > > > Best > > > Jerry > > > > > > Willem Jiang <willem.ji...@gmail.com> 于2022年5月18日周三 17:17写道： > > > > > > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 2:50 PM Sheng Wu <wu.sheng.841...@gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Firestorm community > > > > > > > > > > Considering what Yu Li is proposing, I would recommend you could do > > > > > some discussions directly, maybe off the list if you want. > > > > > Both of the projects are young and very new to the community, it > may > > > > > be not a concern from my perspective(may be concerned by some > IPMC), > > > > > as one/both could fail in the incubating. But with you are going to > > > > > work on the similar things, the challenge would be for both of your > > > > > projects to establish the incubating process. Also, when we talk > about > > > > > graduation in the future, it would be my concern of causing > confusion > > > > > to users. > > > > > > > > > > Two TLPs are nearly the same is really not a good practice from the > > > > > foundation level. > > > > > > > > > > > We heartfully welcome you to join Firestorm project and > community. > > > > > > > > > > So, I suggest not just saying joining Firestorm, this may be a > simple > > > > > reaction, I hope you could do more. > > > > > This is an opportunity to do a bigger and more powerful project > > > > > supported by Tencent and Alibaba's initial teams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > After talking with LiYu and Jerry Shao, I realized there could be > > > > some challenges we may face. > > > > But it would be great if we can work together to tackle the same > problem. > > > > I'd like to help two teams to start a meeting to discuss the > > > > possibility of merging these projects together. > > > > > > > > Willem Jiang > > > > > > > > Twitter: willemjiang > > > > Weibo: 姜宁willem > > > > > > > > > I know it is not easy to do a joint project, but it is actually > much > > > > > better to see you two competing with each other in the next 1-2 > years. > > > > > In the ASF, we hope to create a better project for the whole > industry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > > > > > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > > > > > > > > > Jerry Shao <js...@apache.org> 于2022年5月18日周三 14:38写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Yu， > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO, I think we're open and welcome all the contributions. We > > > > heartfully > > > > > > welcome you to join Firestorm project and community. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > > > > > Yu Li <car...@gmail.com> 于2022年5月18日周三 13:36写道： > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to see the proposal for incubating a uniform remote > shuffle > > > > service. > > > > > > > Coincidently, we are preparing an incubating proposal for the > same > > > > > > > direction based on two open source projects Alibaba is driving > [1] > > > > [2], and > > > > > > > I'm the champion for that. Our proposal is still not fully > prepared > > > > because > > > > > > > the merge of the two projects is still in progress, and I'm > writing > > > > this > > > > > > > email to check whether it's possible that we have a joint > force to > > > > achieve > > > > > > > the same goal. I believe it will be cool if we could do this > > > > together, > > > > > > > although there will be a lot (more) work to do to make this > happen. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please let me know your thoughts and let's have more > discussions if > > > > you're > > > > > > > also interested. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > Yu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [1] https://github.com/flink-extended/flink-remote-shuffle > > > > > > > [2] https://github.com/alibaba/RemoteShuffleService > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
