What’s a “vanity mentor“? How do I recognize one before a podling has a 
significant history? Who is currently accepting these vanity mentors and how 
would they stop doing so?

Hindsight is 20-20... I have no crystal ball.

David Jencks 

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> On Aug 13, 2019, at 5:10 PM, Justin Mclean <jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> Here's an idea... The IPMC focuses on supporting mentors to do their job 
>> rather than forcing project developers and their mentors to jump through 
>> arbitrarily defined hoops.
> 
> What "arbitrarily defined hoops” are you referring to? ASF policy or 
> something else?
> 
>> The IPMC doesn't need to enforce policy of any kind, except at the point of 
>> graduation. 
> 
> That seems less than ideal to me, why would a IPMC volunteer want to do that 
> job? And again IMO it introduces a hard gate that podlings are going to 
> dislike, probably more so than they do now.
> 
>> When things change for individuals and they can no longer be good mentors 
>> then the IPMC  needs to make it a priority to help find a new, truly 
>> dedicated mentor. It's a problem that needs to be solved, but let's worry 
>> about that when it's actually a problem rather than a hypothetical one.
> 
> It’s currently a problem, not a hypothetical, see for instance votes coming 
> to this list without 3 mentors +1 votes, or the missing reports or missing 
> sign-offs on the current incubator report to the board. This problem isn’t 
> going unrecognised either, you’ll also note that recently nearly every month 
> new mentors have been found and added to podlings that need them.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 
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