Nicely put. Sid On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that we need to get over thinking of this state of affairs is a > "failure". > > It is just one of the many different possible outcomes for incubation. To > my mind, having multiple possible outcomes is a *feature*, not a bug. > > Obviously, we should not admit podlings that we aren't committed to helping > become TLP's and we should help those podlings become TLP's. But there are > lots of different possible outcomes and only the podling can really > determine which outcome it will have. > > It is a fact of nature that we cannot always know whether a new podling > really has the right intent and contributor mix to become a good TLP. > Sometimes it is apparent that the project will be a great fit and sometimes > it is apparent that it won't be, but many times we won't exactly know. > There will be cases where a community will melt away and there will be > cases where a community really didn't get the point of the Apache license. > In many cases, the world just changes and by the time it is time to > graduate, the project just isn't the right thing to do any more. > > As such, I think we need to (somewhat) over-admit podlings when there is > doubt. That doesn't mean admit projects that just won't ever succeed, but > it does mean we should be a little generous in terms of admission. We > should vote to admit in cases of some doubt. > > If that is true, then we have to expect that there will be a variety of > outcomes and we have to take that as a consequence of our initial > generosity. This is not a cause for tears. Frankly, every project that > becomes an obvious candidate for retirement means that there is another > successful project that we admitted even though there was doubt. > > IF it is time to retire Sirona, let's just do it. > > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 10:09 AM, Pierre Smits <pierre.sm...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It is very sad to see a project failing at growing a community. Looking > at > > the various public sources, I see: > > > > - just 2 pull request since its start in incubation > > - no postings on the user ml since December 2015 > > - only 3 committing contributors since start in incubation > > - No description (readme) in github > > - No mission statement/goal description of the project on the > project's > > home page > > > > I fear this will not turn around due to the lack of interest in the world > > beyond the project. At the moment I am inclined to say: time for > > retirement. > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Pierre Smits > > > > ORRTIZ.COM <http://www.orrtiz.com> > > OFBiz based solutions & services > > > > OFBiz Extensions Marketplace > > http://oem.ofbizci.net/oci-2/ > > > > On Sat, Apr 15, 2017 at 5:07 PM, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Hi John > > > > > > I think you did the right thing by bringing the point on the table. > > > > > > AFAIR I already stated some months ago that, regarding the activity and > > > regarding the community around, we should really think about retirement > > of > > > Sirona. Some can argue about the fact that Sirona is a "stable" project > > > that's not really valid: if it's valid we should see questions, feature > > > requests, etc coming from the user community. And obviously it's not > the > > > case. So I think that Sirona is just use for specific use cases in a > very > > > limited community. > > > > > > My €0.01 ;) > > > > > > Regards > > > JB > > > > > > On Apr 15, 2017, 15:49, at 15:49, "John D. Ament" < > johndam...@apache.org > > > > > > wrote: > > > >All, > > > > > > > >I hate bringing up these topics. But I think we as the IPMC we have > to > > > >take a close look at how Sirona is running and figure out what to do > > > >next. > > > > > > > >- The podling has not reported in several months (this is their 3rd > > > >attempt > > > >at monthly). > > > >- Every time the thought of retirement comes up, a little bit of > > > >activity > > > >on the project happens. It doesn't sustain. > > > >- There is some limited project history, but no real contribution in 6 > > > >months ( https://github.com/apache/sirona/commits/trunk ) > > > > > > > >I personally don't want to see projects go, and I don't want to force > a > > > >project to leave, but at the same time I'm not convinced that there's > > > >enough of a community behind the project to sustain it going forward. > > > >They've put together a limited plan to get a release out the door, but > > > >other than that I'm not sure they're going to be able to move forward. > > > > > > > >So I want to ask, as the IPMC, do we want to give them time to > regroup? > > > > > > > >John > > > > > >
