There was a private thread started around the infra related feedback from the "Committer Diversity Survey", and it was summarized by one of our colleagues as: GitHub, GitHub, GitHub, GitHub
I would like to bring my perspective around this, as I don't think it's about GitHub, GitHub, GitHub, but about what GitHub provides for their users: a self-service infrastructure that easily enables projects to be created and administered by their creators. I believe that most of the constructive feedback Apache receives around infrastructure are triggered by the fact that it is still very hard to get non-code related things done at ASF, particularly if you are new to the organization and don't know the right people to ask for help. I believe that The ASF (we) should seriously start discussing and come up with a plan to make Apache a self-service organization (something similar to https://whimsy.apache.org/ but much more focused on general services and named something like services.apache.org) so that anyone with appropriate karma could, as an example, create the necessary resources for a newly accepted Podling by submitting one form and this would trigger the creation of mailing lists, repositories all properly mirrored to github, with all necessary workflow notifications enabled, etc. Which today involves multiple steps, sometimes with interdependencies which can cause the Podling creation to take over a week. The other issue that I hear over and over again, is about the way we communicate using subscription-based mailing lists, but I believe the recent changes around https://lists.apache.org should have resolved most of the issues, as long as the hard work from infra team is properly advertised and linked from multiple places. I have added infra and general as bcc to this thread, so others can provide some feedback on the subject, but let's try not to hijack the thread into different mailing lists and keep the discussion at d...@community.apache.org mailing list. -- Luciano Resende http://twitter.com/lresende1975 http://lresende.blogspot.com/
