Agree that podlings which have recently graduated might be able to provide good advice having just been through the experience.
Although, how common is it to have IPMCs in the newly graduated podlings? Is there a way for folks who are not IPMCs yet to give back in terms of informally mentoring specific projects? I get a sense that there is also a notion of informal mentors from this section[1] "There is no restriction on the number of informal mentors (note the small m) that a Podling may have. These can be very useful but have no formal role in the process." But, not sure who is eligible to be an informal mentor and how does this mentoring relation work? Thanks in advance! [1] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html#template-mentors On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Julian Hyde <jhyde.apa...@gmail.com> wrote: > I strongly believe that one or two people from each graduating podling > should serve as mentors soon after graduation. It's totally up to them, of > course. But it is appropriate to give back, having received help from so > many volunteers during incubation. And, having just been through the > experience, they are in a good position to give advice. > > Julian > > > On Jun 9, 2016, at 19:44, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com> > wrote: > > > >> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 12:01 AM, Sergio Fernández <wik...@apache.org> > wrote: > >> (Off-topic) At some point we may need to discuss our incubation > capacity... > >> People present cool proposal and they get vote just because that, > without > >> checking our available resources. > > > > Incubation capacity is limited by total Mentoring capacity across all > > podlings, and by our ability to cover central administration. > > > > With regards to central administration, even at ~55 podlings, we are > still > > mostly managing to cover what's needed: > > > > * Spare release voting capacity (Justin Mclean, John Ament) > > * Report preparation (John, Marvin) > > * Followup after troubled podlings (John) > > * Administrivia (John, Marvin, Ted, Nick Burch) > > * Mediation (Ted, Marvin, others) > > * Relief Mentors (...) > > > > Happily, responsibility is more spread out than it used to be -- Jukka > was the > > first line of defense for nearly all of those when he was Chair. We are > > heavily dependent on both John and Justin and would struggle to replace > their > > contributions, but for the moment we are holding -- with the one weakness > > being that when a podling needs relief Mentors there are few to be had. > > > > Total Mentoring capacity is hard to assess. We keep adding awesome new > IPMC > > members, and sometimes new podlings will persuade high-quality inactive > IPMC > > Members to return to active duty. But we do appear to be getting more > > stretched as strong proposals keep pouring in. > > > > In recent times, the Incubator has not been voting to accept podlings > that > > have an inadequate *number* of Mentors. However, we have for many years > had > > podlings where several of the Mentors do not do much beyond lend their > name to > > the proposal. > > > > Overstretched mentoring has always been a concern, but I think it is > becoming > > a bit more of a concern now as podlings struggle more to recruit Mentors > -- > > perhaps tempting already overcommitted Mentors to strech even further, or > > necessitating the recruitment of rookies from the ASF Membership with no > > Incubator experience. > > > > As a mitigation, I think we should be paying a little more attention to > the > > Mentor roster in new proposals. One simple report would tell us a lot > -- just > > list all the podlings that each proposed Mentor is already signed up for. > > > > If there are concerns that any of the proposed Mentors are > overcommitted, it > > would be appropriate to raise them on private@incubator. > > > > Marvin Humphrey > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > -- Sravya Tirukkovalur
