My apologies, Marvin, and thanks for clarifying the procedure. I'll follow
up on the private list.

    James

On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 12, 2015 at 11:04 AM, James Taylor <jamestay...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I'm the PMC Chair for Apache Phoenix and a PMC member of Apache Calcite,
> > both top level project and both of which I went through the incubation
> > process. Recently several projects interested in going through incubation
> > approached me to be a mentor, hence my interest in joining - so that I
> can
> > help guide them through this process. I understand that the process for
> non
> > ASF members is to initiate a vote on the private list. I'd appreciate it
> if
> > that could start at your earliest convenience.
> >
> > Please let me know if I need to perform any further action before a vote
> is
> > started.
>
> Hi James, thanks for your interest. For what it's worth, there's no
> reason you couldn't help out a podling without being a Mentor.  And
> the process for non-ASF-Members joining the Incubator PMC is actually
> the same as for any other Apache PMC -- someone earns merit and then
> is invited to join.
>
> Regardless of what happens in this specific case, if people are going
> to initiate direct requests like this, I wish they would use the
> private list.  Every once in a while somebody who has not earned merit
> makes a request to join a PMC; it is awkward to rebuff such requests
> discreetly when the request is public.  Apache private lists are not
> supposed to be used a lot, but personnel discussions are one of the
> main reasons we have them.
>
> Marvin Humphrey
>
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