David, I think we've been there before a few month ago. In my view, you're articulating collective (IPMC) vs. personal (mentors) responsibility.
IIRC, we came to be on different sides of that divide. I'll repeat again what I said in that discussion: I like the mentor responsibility model a LOT for the same reasons I like PMCs responsibility model. We don't expect all of the ASF membership to constantly attend to running every project -- we expect PMC to do that. We expect the board to be effective at striking the balance of not micromanaging while at the same time coming down as a ton of bricks when they do identify an issue worth reacting to. The model works. I don't see why it can't work for podlings. I'll specifically abstain from commenting on the Ignite graduation (few last paragraphs) since I'd like this thread to be 100% separate from that discussion. Thanks, Roman. On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:35 PM, David Nalley <da...@gnsa.us> wrote: >> >> Empower the Mentors to run the podlings, teach the newcomers and bring it >> to TLP. >> > > As a mentor of podlings, I dislike the above idea. > > Mentors get busy, they miss things, sometimes big things. Sometimes > things that are obvious to an outsider are missed by mentors who don't > catch it. I've certainly been guilty of missing things, and having an > 'outside IPMC member' call attention to that has caused me to go find > not just that problem, but other problems with a podling. > > Even on smaller issues, Justin and Sebb run circles around me in > validating that releases comply with policy. I've voted affirmatively > on releases that Justin or Sebb has found issues; occasionally glaring > issues. I do not think that just because I am a mentor on $project and > they aren't invalidates concerns they may raise. I may have additional > insight, and be able to explain things. > > Similarly, a vote was brought to the IPMC as to whether or not to > recommend graduation. We asked people to inspect the podling and vote, > and for some reason seem displeased when everyone doesn't unanimously > agree with the mentors. I am not sure whether to interpret that as > 'non-mentor IPMC votes are discouraged', or whether 'dissenting > opinions are discouraged'. But telling the body responsible (the IPMC) > to leave podlings in its charge alone, particularly when prompted by a > vote called by the podling itself hardly seems appropriate. > > --David > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
