On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> wrote: > Those of us in such a new incoming community might get the commit bit but > can't vote on adding committers,
See my reply to Jan. C == PPMC solves this completely. > or making releases. This is *exactly* what is happening today with every single poddling. Why are you bringing this up as a *new* concern around pTLP? > We don't have a > binding vote on our own committership / fate / ability to manage our own > sources. I'll be a stickler here: literally the only new issue that doesn't exist today is that there won't be a by-law guaranteeing community that they can *override* ASF members vote on new committers. That is it! Everything else stays *exactly* the same. Not a single change to how IPMC *rules* are structured. > This situation is primed for mistrust, conflict, and heartache the > second the members and the incoming community disagree about some > substantial aspect of the project direction. The incoming community is > disempowered and has no recourse but to go along with the outcome of Apache > politics or abandon the project. As a responsible steward of my community, > I would never consider bringing my project to Apache under these > circumstances. Wow! This is a pretty gross overstatement if you ask me. Remember, all of the above is predicated on a *single* possibility. Not even a guarantee a *possibility*. That ASF PMC members of pTLP will start actively overriding votes on adding new members to the community. This is literally *the only* power they will be getting that doesn't exist in IPMC today. The chances of that are slim to none, so I have no choice but to call the above a strawman. > This may also increase the risk a project is coming here due to an > excessive fascination with the Apache brand, because otherwise the bargain > seems poor (in my view). Like I said -- we won't know until we try. We will try with *willing* participants. If they like it and if the board likes it -- we will start migrating folks. If not -- we'll stop. Thanks, Roman. P.S. This is my time to apologize for harsh tone. But really? Really: "The incoming community is disempowered and has no recourse but to go along with the outcome of Apache politics or abandon the project." --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
