A tad longer answer is that the immutable rules are meant to protect the
Apache Way, because we believe that healthy communities produce health
code. The ASF is a steward of communities that are themselves stewards
of code. The incubation process is meant to benefit the project, allow
new committers to get familiar with the social and legal
responsibilities associated with public releases, code governance, IP,
licensing, etc. Your case is slightly different because you're
experienced already with most of these aspects.
The champion and mentors are there to help you through the process. They
are volunteers who work to become eventually useless, at which point the
project graduates out of the incubator.
I hope this (and the links below) help(s),
Hadrian
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/learn/theapacheway.html
[2] http://theapacheway.com/
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html
On 12/18/2014 11:48 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH) wrote:
Marko,
I note that you currently do not have a champion and that you have listed IBM
as the sponsor, with two individuals names who (to the best of my knowledge)
are not ASF committers. I suggest these are the first things you need to
address in your proposal. Find a champion who can help you understand what the
Apache Way is and why IBM is not a sponsor (Sam is certainly an excellent
candidate to help you with that if he is willing).
To your specific points below, since Sam has already responded to your points,
I'll keep my response short. Moving your primary project resources to the ASF
is not a negotiable item. There are many reasons for this. Your champion is
responsible for ensuring you understand the reasoning behind this.
When a project comes to the ASF it comes for the Apache Way. That means projects that
choose to come here need to adopt the Apache Way in its entirety, not "just
enough" to be an Apache project.
That being said, there are very few immutable rules in the Apache Way, much of
it is social structure an practices. But there are a few things that are
designed to protect that social structure, this a non-negotiable (at least
outside of the ASF membership who, over time, tweak the rules).
Ross
-----Original Message-----
From: Marko Rodriguez [mailto:okramma...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2014 8:16 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org; jfarr...@apache.org
Cc: Sam Ruby
Subject: Re: [Proposal] TinkerPop: A Graph Computing Framework
Hello Jake,
When talking with Sam Ruby (cc:d) we voiced our concerns about moving all of
our infrastructure over to The Apache Foundation. In particular, our GitHub
presence and our public user-mailing list (i.e. tech support mailing list). I
have articulated our concerns in the freshly updated proposal.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TinkerPopProposal
Please see "W. Mailing Lists", "Y. Git Repository", and "X.
Subversion Directory".
Sam Ruby had stated that using GitHub for source control is an accepted practice now. We can (though would
prefer not to) move our issue tracking to JIRA. Again, we have all been using GitHub issue tracking for 5
years and are comfortable with its interface. Likewise, we can (though would prefer not to), move our user
mailing list to Apache's mail list system. If a distinction is made between "user mailing list"
(tech support) and "contributor mailing list" (governance), we can (and would prefer) to move over
our "TinkerPop Contributors" mailing list to ASF as this is where all the
legal/political/governance discussion occur and should be under the purview of ASF.
Thoughts?,
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Jake Farrell <jfarr...@apache.org> wrote:
Hey Marko
Thank you for posting the proposal to the wiki. The proposal has the
requested infra for issues, wiki, mailing lists, and scm all still at
github. These sections will have to be edited to bring everything over
to ASF hardware. Please take a look at other proposals listed for an
idea and if you have any questions please let us know
Thanks
-Jake
On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Marko Rodriguez
<okramma...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello everyone,
I have put the proposal on the wiki page.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/TinkerPopProposal
As requested by Roman, I updated the Affiliations section. Note that
I would love to tweak more but there is a 1 minute turn around time
when I hit 'preview' or 'save changes' on the wiki. It started
driving me mad so I stopped.
Please advise on desired edits and I will do so. Moreover, I will
make things much cleaner once the wiki interface speeds up (hopefully
its just a 'burp' in the software right now).
Finally, I will review the individuals who noted they would like to
"champion" or "mentor" TinkerPop. I will read more about them, what
these roles are, and provide thoughts to this thread once I fully
grasp the situation.
Thank you again,
Marko.
http://markorodriguez.com
On Dec 17, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
No way, Marko! This is AWESOME!!
As many people had mentioned before, you need Champion who is Apache
member and mentors who are member of Incubator PMCs.
And please do follow the format of the proposal as Hadrian mentioned
in
his reply.
So excited!
- Henry
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