Hi Owen,

Thanks for details explanation about the statement. Really appreciate
the clarification.

- Henry

On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> HI,
>>
>> Just curious if you could give reference to "Apache encourages
>> disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when those projects
>> overlap in scope" statement ?
>>
>
> Henry,
>     It generally comes from the "Community over Code," which is a phrase
> discussing how the focus is on how the people working on a project work
> together and not the code. The assumption is teams with healthy communities
> will build good code.
>
> In terms of documentation, it like most of Apache is learned by doing. In
> Nick Burch's talk "The Apache Way" at ApacheCon this year (
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/sites/events/files/slides/TheApacheWay14.pdf)
> there was a slide about this:
>
> Don't pick winners, pick runners
> • Board doesn't say “We want X”
> • Developers say “X is cool”
> • We enable developers to do cool stuff
> • Apache developers are at the forefront of innovation
> • Not interested in a single runner
> • We want relay teams
> • Community is critical to the Apache Way
> • Apache is about supporting communities
>
> .. Owen
>
>
>> - Henry
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Selvamohan Neethiraj
>> <sneethi...@hortonworks.com> wrote:
>> > Apache Argus Proposal (http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ArgusProposal)
>> >
>> > == Abstract ==
>> >
>> > Argus is a framework to enable, monitor and manage comprehensive data
>> security across the Hadoop platform.
>> >
>> > The name “Argus” is derived from Argus Panoptes, a 100-eyed giant in
>> Greek mythology, endowed with a role to keep “an eye” open and be an
>> effective watchman at all times.
>> >
>> > == Background ==
>> >
>> > The vision with Argus is to provide comprehensive security across the
>> Apache Hadoop ecosystem. With the advent of  Apache YARN, the Hadoop
>> platform can now support a true data lake architecture. Enterprises can
>> potentially run multiple workloads, in a multi tenant environment. Data
>> security within Hadoop needs to evolve to support multiple use cases for
>> data access, while also providing a framework for central administration of
>> security policies and monitoring of user access.
>> >
>> > XA Secure, a Hadoop security focused startup, developed the initial
>> technology behind Argus. XA Secure was acquired by Hortonworks, which now
>> is contributing the technology to the open source community to extend and
>> innovate.
>> >
>> > == Rationale ==
>> >
>> > Many of the projects in the Hadoop ecosystem have their own
>> authentication, authorization, and auditing components. There are no
>> central administration and auditing capabilities. We are looking to address
>> these enterprises security needs of central administration and
>> comprehensive security through the Argus project.
>> > Our initial focus would be around authorization and auditing, the longer
>> term vision would be to tie all aspects around data security within the
>> Hadoop platform.
>> >
>> > == Proposal Details ==
>> >
>> > The vision of Argus is to enable comprehensive data security across the
>> Hadoop platform. The goal is provide a single user interface or API to
>> manage security policies, monitor user access and policy changes history.
>> The framework would work with individual components in enforcing these
>> policies and in capturing relevant audit information.
>> > Initial Goals
>> >         1.      Donate the Argus source code and documentation to the
>> Apache Software Foundation
>> >         2.      Setup and standardize the open governance of the Argus
>> project
>> >         3.      Build a user and developer community
>> >         4.      Deeper Integration with Hadoop Platform
>> >                 a.      Enable integration with Apache Storm, Apache
>> Knox and Apache Falcon for authorization and auditing
>> >         5.      Configurable centralized storage of audit data into HDFS
>> >         6.      Enable framework to be run in both Linux and Windows
>> environments
>> >         7.      Rationalize install procedure, making it easier for
>> enterprises to deploy
>> >
>> > == Longer Term Goals ==
>> >
>> > In longer term, Argus should provide a comprehensive security framework
>> for Hadoop platform components, covering the following
>> >         1.      Centralized security administration to manage all
>> security related tasks in a central UI
>> >         2.      Fine grained authorization to do a specific action
>> and/or operation with Hadoop component/tool and managed through a central
>> administration tool
>> >                 a.      Standardize authorization method across all
>> Hadoop components
>> >                 b.      Enhanced support for different authorization
>> methods - Role based access control, attribute based access control etc
>> >                 c.      Enable tag based global policies
>> >         3.      Centralize auditing of user access and administrative
>> actions (security related) within all the components of Hadoop
>> >
>> > == Current Status ==
>> >
>> > Argus’ technology is currently being used by enterprises and is under
>> active development.
>> >
>> > The key components of Argus are:
>> >         •       Enterprise Security Administration Portal
>> >                 ◦       A Java Web Application, designed for
>> administration of security policies from a single location for the entire
>> hadoop cluster (and even multiple hadoop clusters)
>> >         •       Security Agents
>> >                 ◦       A light-weight Java Agent, which will be
>> embedded into the hadoop component (e.g. Hive, HBase and Hadoop) as an
>> authorization provider to enforce the security policies and also collect
>> access events/logs.
>> >         •       User/Group Synchronizer Module
>> >                 ◦       A standalone daemon which allows the user/group
>> information to be synched from the enterprise user repositories like
>> LDAP/AD to Argus local database. This user/group information in Argus local
>> database will help the security policy administrators
>> >                         ▪       to define security policies by
>>  selecting users/groups from a drop-down box (instead of typing their
>> name/group in a text-box).
>> >                         ▪       to delegate policy administration to
>> other users/groups
>> >                         ▪       to restrict view of reports based on the
>> users/groups
>> >         •       Centralized Audit Logs and Monitoring
>> >                 ◦       Log events to central data storage/database
>> >                 ◦       Interactive query of audit events
>> >                 ◦       Audit administrator actions
>> >
>> >
>> > The initial version provides ability to
>> >         1.      Define security policies using a central security
>> administration UI.
>> >         2.      Fine grained access control for HDFS (file level) , Hive
>> (column level) and HBase (column level)
>> >         3.      Framework to record access/operational events/logs as
>> part of auditing and view using a central monitoring UI.
>> >         4.      Support delegated policy administration
>> >         5.      Centralized audit monitoring and query capabilities
>> >
>> > === Meritocracy ===
>> >
>> > We plan to invest in supporting a meritocracy. We will discuss the
>> requirements in an open forum. Several companies have already expressed
>> interest in this project, and we intend to invite additional developers to
>> participate. We will encourage and monitor community participation so that
>> privileges can be extended to those that contribute.
>> >
>> > === Community ===
>> >
>> > We are happy to report that there are existing Apache committers and
>> corporate users who are closely involved in the project already. We hope to
>> extend the user and developer base further in the future and build a solid
>> open source community around Argus, growing the community and adding
>> committers following the Apache meritocracy model.
>> >
>> > === Core Developers ===
>> >
>> > The initial technology within Argus was originally built by the team at
>> XA Secure. XA Secure was founded and managed by experienced members with a
>> wide background in enterprise security. Some of the XA’s core team have
>> been proposed as core developers for this project. The developer list also
>> include an Apache member and PMC members from several Apache projects
>> (Hadoop, HBase, and Knox). A concern is that all of the core developers are
>> employed by Hortonworks and thus an emphasis will be on increasing the
>> diversity of the developer community.
>> > Alignment
>> > The initial committers strongly believe that a unified security portal
>> for Apache Hadoop, Hive, and HBase will gain broad adoption as an open
>> source, community driven project. Our hope is that the Apache Falcon,
>> Apache Storm,  Apache Knox, and other communities will find tremendous
>> value in Argus and will adopt it en masse.
>> >
>> > == Known Risks ==
>> >
>> > === Orphaned Products ===
>> >
>> > The initial code behind Argus is under active development and is being
>> actively used by several enterprises. It is not expected to be orphaned.
>> >
>> > === Inexperience  with Open Source ===
>> >
>> > Many of the core developers have long-standing experience in open
>> source, Dili Aramugam, Kevin Minder and Larry McCay are committers on the
>> Apache Knox project. Sanjay Radia and Owen O’Malley are PMC members on
>> several Apache projects. We have several mentors that will work with the
>> inexperienced committers on building a thriving developer community.
>> >
>> > === Homogeneous Developers ===
>> > The current core developers are all from Hortonworks. However, we expect
>> to establish a thriving developer community that includes users of Argus
>> and developers of other Hadoop components.
>> >
>> > === Reliance on Salaried Developers ===
>> >
>> > Currently, all of the developers are paid to work on Argus. A key goal
>> for the incubation process will be to broaden the developer base.
>> > Relationships with Other Apache Products
>> > The biggest risk is fast rate of growth of new features within the
>> Hadoop ecosystem and security standards not being applied during the
>> initial development of these new products. We believe an active engagement
>> from the Hadoop community would significantly aid adoption of common
>> security framework across the ecosystem and will help in establishing cross
>> component standards.
>> >
>> > As mentioned in the Alignment section, Argus is closely integrated with
>> Hadoop, Hive and HBase in a numerous ways. We look forward to collaborating
>> with those communities, as well as other Apache communities.
>> >
>> > There is some overlap between the goals of Argus and Apache Sentry.
>> Apache encourages disjoint teams to form independent projects, even when
>> those projects overlap in scope. Additionally, we feel that the distinct
>> code bases, development teams, and different approaches to the problem
>> should be represented by different projects. This will provide better
>> choices for users to choose from.
>> >
>> > === An Excessive Fascination with the Apache Brand ===
>> >
>> > While we respect the reputation of the Apache brand and have no doubts
>> that it will attract contributors and users, our interest is primarily to
>> give Argus a solid home as an open source project with a broad developer
>> base and to encourage adoption by the related ASF projects and foster
>> innovation around security
>> >
>> > == Documentation ==
>> >
>> http://hortonworks.com/blog/hortonworks-acquires-xasecure-to-provide-comprehensive-security-for-enterprise-hadoop/
>> >
>> > == Initial Source ==
>> >
>> > We will make the initial source available as a patch.
>> >
>> > == Source and IP Submission Plan ==
>> > 1.      All source will be moved to Apache Infrastructure
>> > 2.      All outstanding issues in our in-house JIRA infrastructure will
>> be replicated into the Apache JIRA system.
>> > 3.      We will be acquiring a twitter handle for project Argus (eg:
>> @apacheargus )
>> >
>> > == External Dependencies ==
>> >
>> > Argus has no external dependencies except for some Java libraries that
>> are considered ASF-compatible (JUnit, SLF4J, …) and Apache artifacts :
>> Hadoop, Log4J and the transient dependencies of all these artifacts.
>> >
>> > == Cryptography ==
>> >
>> > Argus does not incorporate encryption currently.
>> >
>> > == Required Resources ==
>> >
>> > === Mailing Lists: ===
>> > 1.      argus-dev
>> > 2.      argus-commits
>> > 3.      argus-private
>> >
>> > === Infrastructure: ===
>> > 1.      Git repository
>> > 2.      JIRA Argus
>> > 3.      Gerrit for reviewing patches
>> > The existing code includes local host integration tests, so we would
>> like a Jenkins instance to run them whenever a new patch is submitted.
>> >
>> > == Initial Committers ==
>> >
>> > * Balaji Ganesan (bganesan at hortonworks.com)
>> > * Dilli Arumugam (darumugam at hortonworks.com)
>> > * Don Bosco Durai (bdurai at hortonworks.com)
>> > * Kevin Minder (kminder at apache.org)
>> > * Larry McCay (lmccay at apache.org)
>> > * Madhanmohan Neethiraj (mneethiraj at hortonworks.com)
>> > * Owen O’Malley (omalley at apache.org)
>> > * Ramesh Mani (rmani at hortonworks.com)
>> > * Sanjay Radia (sradia at apache.org)
>> > * Selvamohan Neethiraj (sneethiraj at hortonworks.com)
>> >
>> > == Affiliations ==
>> >
>> > * Balaji Ganesan - Hortonworks
>> > * Dilli Arumugam - Hortonworks
>> > * Don Bosco Durai - Hortonworks
>> > * Kevin Minder - Hortonworks
>> > * Larry McCay - Hortonworks
>> > * Madhanmohan Neethiraj - Hortonworks
>> > * Owen O’Malley - Hortonworks
>> > * Ramesh Mani - Hortonworks
>> > * Sanjay Radia - Hortonworks
>> > * Selvamohan Neethiraj - Hortonworks
>> >
>> > == Sponsors ==
>> >
>> > === Champion: ===
>> >
>> > * Owen O’Malley (omalley at apache.org) - Hortonworks
>> >
>> > === Nominated Mentors: ===
>> >
>> > * Alan Gates - Hortonworks
>> > * Devaraj Das - Hortonworks
>> > * Jakob Homan - LinkedIn
>> > * Owen O’Malley - Hortonworks
>> >
>> > === Sponsoring Entity ===
>> >
>> > Incubator PMC
>> >
>> >
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