If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I have raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever been satisfactory answered.
As for chances of a project to stick with github if it was started their - I respectfully disagree. I think only projects which feel comfortable within the github will stay there. Others will move on: Apache Spark is a great example of late. After 2 years of organic growth @github they came to the Incubator and graduated very fast with flying colors. Without stacking the PPMC IIRC. So, I am fond of Henry's hope that the project will solicit a more diversified set of mentors and initial committers. -- Cos On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote: > Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =) > > I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator project. > And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better > diversity during its time under Apache incubator. > > For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from > same organization. > Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit" > mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance. > > - Henry > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurt...@apache.org> wrote: > > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard the > > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into the > > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers entirely > > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code base, for > > example. > > > > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator > > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded to grow > > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a project > > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of Apache > > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply here. If a > > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer diversity with > > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A > > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL and > > hosted on GitHub. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omal...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.sapu...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some > >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator. > >> > > >> > >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their community > >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to change > >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more likely to > >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects being > >> done in the Apache Way. > >> > >> > >> > > >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from Hortonworks. > >> > > >> > >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor? > >> > >> > >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache Knox > >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2? > >> > > >> > >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter > >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine grain > >> integrated authorization and auditing. > >> > >> .. Owen > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > > > - Andy > > > > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein > > (via Tom White) > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
