Roman Shaposhnik wrote on Sat, May 31, 2014 at 23:39:06 -0700: > On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Daniel Shahaf <d...@daniel.shahaf.name> > wrote: > >> Regardless, I guess my real question is this: if a podling feels that they > >> need to achieve a certain milestone in software completeness before > >> they can confidently graduate, are we really in a position to push > >> them out of the incubator somewhat against their will? > > > > I can imagine situations in which you'd graduate a podling that has a > > diverse and self-managing PPMC and advise the PMC to work with Press, or > > Infra, or Brand, or Comdev post-graduation to improve some aspect or > > another. > > I can't. If the community doesn't think it is ready the best you can do is > try to persuade them that they are ready, but not graduate by force. >
We aren't talking about the same thing. I don't think it would make sense to graduate somebody by force. I'm just saying that I see scenarios in which a project graduates that still has some problems, which the PMC-to-be can address by itself (i.e., doesn't need IPMC's hand-holding with addressing). > > Back to the instance at hand: the project reported that adding a feature > > is a graduation blocker. That is unusual. The likely explanation is > > that they misunderstood what graduation is about. The situation should > > therefore be checked. > > If the project has a misunderstanding then it > > should be corrected, and if it doesn't then it'd be better if they > > clarified in future reports why they, unusually, consider adding a > > feature to be a graduation blocker. > > That's a good point, but see below. > > > A podling was asked "Has your community grown" and replied that the > > statistics server was down. To me, that's not a satisfactory answer, > > for the same reason that (with car drivers) a broken speedometer is not > > a carte blanche to speeding. > > [...] only hope is to have good mentors. +1 > > Time for reductio ad absurdum. > > Never a good move on an email thread ;-) Because...? --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
